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AleXusher
Profile Joined September 2014
280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-15 16:21:02
October 15 2016 16:20 GMT
#1121
can 5 rax vs toss work? I just played a game and he defended 5 rax on 3 base while going into double robo AND double forge!!! I am so salty right now. How is this fair?

if i am correct i saw beasty doing it, and we won, but i dont know why ...
Master League Terran Gameplay - https://www.youtube.com/user/AleXusher92 // Cheap Highlevel coaching - https://www.gamersensei.com/senseis/alexusher
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16084 Posts
October 15 2016 16:51 GMT
#1122
On October 16 2016 01:20 AleXusher wrote:
can 5 rax vs toss work? I just played a game and he defended 5 rax on 3 base while going into double robo AND double forge!!! I am so salty right now. How is this fair?

if i am correct i saw beasty doing it, and we won, but i dont know why ...

5 rax what? 2 base I assume but from what opener? with tank, wm or liberator support or just pure bio? just marines or marine marauder?
5 rax allins can definitely work but there are a ton of variations of them. a little bit more info about what you're doing would be nice.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-15 17:44:49
October 15 2016 17:44 GMT
#1123
On October 16 2016 01:20 AleXusher wrote:
can 5 rax vs toss work? I just played a game and he defended 5 rax on 3 base while going into double robo AND double forge!!! I am so salty right now. How is this fair?

if i am correct i saw beasty doing it, and we won, but i dont know why ...

I play 5rax 2 base allin pretty much every game on frozen and kss and mix them in on other maps
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AleXusher
Profile Joined September 2014
280 Posts
October 15 2016 19:38 GMT
#1124
On October 16 2016 02:44 Pokebunny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2016 01:20 AleXusher wrote:
can 5 rax vs toss work? I just played a game and he defended 5 rax on 3 base while going into double robo AND double forge!!! I am so salty right now. How is this fair?

if i am correct i saw beasty doing it, and we won, but i dont know why ...

I play 5rax 2 base allin pretty much every game on frozen and kss and mix them in on other maps


So what compositions and what timings do work best for you? It sure differes also alot from what you scout your opponent is doing i guess.
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scarper65
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1560 Posts
October 16 2016 06:33 GMT
#1125
can anyone point me to some good two base all ins against zerg?
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8252 Posts
October 20 2016 04:12 GMT
#1126
On October 14 2016 14:44 Nightmarjoo wrote:
http://www.sc2casts.com

I only see replays? Not build orders?
AnathemAbw
Profile Joined October 2016
23 Posts
October 24 2016 00:01 GMT
#1127
Is the original post of this thread ever going to be updated?
HungrySC2
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States191 Posts
November 02 2016 06:25 GMT
#1128
How do you guys beat stephano style in LOTV?

Heavy lings, both upgrades, + mass queen into hive/infestors.

Seems like you can't move out of your base unless you are dropping and that doesn't do anything most of the time. by the time you can move out with an army hive tech is out. What should my army composition be?

Do you just have to hit the timing before hive perfectly without losing any units because if that's the case that's really boring and frustrating especially on long maps.

Masters here.
"First say to yourself what you would be; And then do what you have to do. (Epictetus)
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-02 06:45:50
November 02 2016 06:41 GMT
#1129
On November 02 2016 15:25 HungrySC2 wrote:
How do you guys beat stephano style in LOTV?

Heavy lings, both upgrades, + mass queen into hive/infestors.

Seems like you can't move out of your base unless you are dropping and that doesn't do anything most of the time. by the time you can move out with an army hive tech is out. What should my army composition be?

Do you just have to hit the timing before hive perfectly without losing any units because if that's the case that's really boring and frustrating especially on long maps.

Masters here.

hitting a timing is good and should always be done but you don't necessarily have to kill him, just deny creep/bases and force him to spend gas on units while you prepare your ghost/liberator lategame.

and dropping can be really good to you just have to combine the drop with some pressure with your army or he will have an easy time defending it.
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Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
November 02 2016 23:17 GMT
#1130
On November 02 2016 15:25 HungrySC2 wrote:
How do you guys beat stephano style in LOTV?

Heavy lings, both upgrades, + mass queen into hive/infestors.

Seems like you can't move out of your base unless you are dropping and that doesn't do anything most of the time. by the time you can move out with an army hive tech is out. What should my army composition be?

Do you just have to hit the timing before hive perfectly without losing any units because if that's the case that's really boring and frustrating especially on long maps.

Masters here.


its not really standard in the meta but if you are playing against it alot going marine helbat would destroy this composition. with the regular 5 min double medivac timing you should be able to atleast deny creep. if you do it with the byun hellbat timing you should be able to kill their third base. no amount of lings can beat marine hellbat with good positioning
A marine walks into a bar and asks, "Wheres the counter?"
Tee1990
Profile Joined December 2015
20 Posts
November 03 2016 23:18 GMT
#1131
On November 02 2016 15:25 HungrySC2 wrote:
How do you guys beat stephano style in LOTV?

Heavy lings, both upgrades, + mass queen into hive/infestors.

Seems like you can't move out of your base unless you are dropping and that doesn't do anything most of the time. by the time you can move out with an army hive tech is out. What should my army composition be?

Do you just have to hit the timing before hive perfectly without losing any units because if that's the case that's really boring and frustrating especially on long maps.

Masters here.


I have been having decent succes against mass ling/ mass ling/bane styles by adding a second factory and researching drilling claws to produce mines 3 at a time. Instead of adding 3 rax to go to a total of 8 , i instead get 2nd factory and 2 raxes.
Damien
Profile Joined January 2009
Brazil131 Posts
November 09 2016 07:08 GMT
#1132
On TvT, whats the best counter to Thor drop?
Balladen
Profile Joined November 2016
1 Post
November 09 2016 19:55 GMT
#1133
Were to find GM replays in these days?
`dunedain
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
657 Posts
November 10 2016 09:14 GMT
#1134
WCS replays coming out soon. There should be tons of replays there for you to enjoy!
"In order to be created, a work of art must first make use of the dark forces of the soul." ~Albert Camus
bretfart
Profile Joined July 2012
114 Posts
November 10 2016 12:58 GMT
#1135
On November 09 2016 16:08 Damien wrote:
On TvT, whats the best counter to Thor drop?


First, you have to scout it. Scouting is very important in mirror matchups (well, it's very important in EVERY matchup :D)

Marauders are strong against Thors. You can also try to snipe the medivac with viking and/or mines. Thor drops are very costly so don't worry too much if you lose some scvs or a bit of your army. You probably wont be behind.

Get a viking out and try to intercept the drop, place mines where you expect the medivac to go (usually somewhere between the edges of your base and your mineral line).

AleXusher
Profile Joined September 2014
280 Posts
November 11 2016 18:33 GMT
#1136
are cyclone openings in TvP still viable? If so what is the basic idea of it? I saw Heromarine killing some free adepts which is nice, and yes it gives you some freedom, but how do i best macro out of it? Do it open up 1-1-1? 2-1-1? basically is there a viable BO and could someone link me that? I would like to investigate into another opening for my TvP games and cyclone seems interessting.

Also do you get 1 or 2 or 3? and what about the magfield upgrade?

ty
Master League Terran Gameplay - https://www.youtube.com/user/AleXusher92 // Cheap Highlevel coaching - https://www.gamersensei.com/senseis/alexusher
Kvassten
Profile Joined May 2012
Sweden159 Posts
November 18 2016 11:40 GMT
#1137
On November 12 2016 03:33 AleXusher wrote:
are cyclone openings in TvP still viable? If so what is the basic idea of it? I saw Heromarine killing some free adepts which is nice, and yes it gives you some freedom, but how do i best macro out of it? Do it open up 1-1-1? 2-1-1? basically is there a viable BO and could someone link me that? I would like to investigate into another opening for my TvP games and cyclone seems interessting.

Also do you get 1 or 2 or 3? and what about the magfield upgrade?

ty


Before you start experimenting with the cyclone I think you should wait until the patch is out because the cyclone will be completely changed and fullfill a new purpose.
MrGrizzle
Profile Joined November 2016
7 Posts
November 22 2016 21:11 GMT
#1138
Hi Terran buddies. This is to spark discussion on what you guys think of 3.8 as much as actually get answers - although a link to somewhere with 3.8 BOs would be nice.

Has anyone got any 3.8 BOs yet? Not sure what I want to go but based on the changes I'd like to try something with cyclones. Particularly in TvP.

TvZ I'll probably just go the same BOs I did before, and just not pick up my tanks (I still like tanks)
TvP is there a good early cyclone BO? Is it still just a transition into MMM later or is mech actually good in this matchup now?
TvT I have absolutely no idea, what are you guys doing, or planning to do?

I am excited!
Kovzirg
Profile Joined July 2016
126 Posts
November 23 2016 03:44 GMT
#1139
Well I would think TvZ builds are going to vary wildly now. Probably a lot more mech and probably way less tanks against ling bane. I've only played one game against Roach/Hydra/Lurkers but I think it is going to be very hard to play against as bio even with significant tank numbers. I've never tried mech before but I'm thinking I will begin playing mech in TvZ to broaden my horizons.

TvP will probably remain pretty similar minus the flexibility we had with tank pushes. I'm thinking I'm either going to be playing very greedy or super aggressive with 5 rax before getting my third in an attempt to expand while trying to kill off their expo.

TvT will probably be a lot of mech, some bio tank vs bio tank, and in general pretty similar to end of hots TvT but with potentially earlier switches to Sky Terran.

Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
November 23 2016 04:45 GMT
#1140
I love how hydras outrange pfs now.

will you need to research the turret range to take a 4th base in tvz now? will this be the new meta?
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
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