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Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
March 31 2016 21:55 GMT
#601
How do you guys know that's no longer worth it? Did you actually try it out?
I did not, but this article suggests that it might still be worth it:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/503631-gangnam-terran-in-lotv
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55585 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-31 22:45:20
March 31 2016 22:24 GMT
#602
On April 01 2016 06:55 Paljas wrote:
How do you guys know that's no longer worth it? Did you actually try it out?
I did not, but this article suggests that it might still be worth it:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/503631-gangnam-terran-in-lotv

It's says in the article here that the flight time on Prion Terraces is 27s. In LotV, your first supply depot would be almost half done by the 27s mark, if you float you haven't even started it by then. In HotS, if you went Gangnam, your depot and rax would still end up at a relatively regular timing even after floating.

Yeah, you can still reap the benefit of the gold minerals, but all your shit will be delayed as fuck.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
March 31 2016 23:18 GMT
#603
mmh, yeah, probably not worth it then. my bad
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DrDevice
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada132 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-31 23:51:59
March 31 2016 23:51 GMT
#604
It's true that floating to the gold isn't worth it. But there is definitely some fun to be had with the gold natural on that map. Polt's prion TvZ build he showed at IEM Katowice is pretty fun. It's super all in, even cuts scvs on two bases, but it's potent.

Two games with the build in question:



dr3am_b3ing
Profile Joined May 2015
Canada188 Posts
April 01 2016 21:15 GMT
#605
On March 18 2016 00:05 Pokebunny wrote:
I'm just dropping by this thread cuz I'm finally getting competent at LotV, but I just wanted to refute the gas first tvp statement in OP by saying it's my best build in that matchup


Yeah but how many match ups where you go for that did the Protoss go 1 Gate FE? You're either challenging the assumed TvP meta or your opponent doesn't scout well enough
Potassium Gang
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
April 02 2016 04:30 GMT
#606
On April 02 2016 06:15 dr3am_b3ing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 00:05 Pokebunny wrote:
I'm just dropping by this thread cuz I'm finally getting competent at LotV, but I just wanted to refute the gas first tvp statement in OP by saying it's my best build in that matchup


Yeah but how many match ups where you go for that did the Protoss go 1 Gate FE? You're either challenging the assumed TvP meta or your opponent doesn't scout well enough

almost every one? Almost everyone goes 1gate fe. 1 base mine drop into tank lib allin was my most successful build getting to rank 30 gm last season.
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Qibla
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia343 Posts
April 03 2016 02:18 GMT
#607
How are you guys defending early ling aggression on frozen temple? I was considering wallling off with a cc, but already had about 10 lings run by before I had the cash. Is the answer to just build natural cc in main and move out when you have enough?
Are you calling moi a dipshit?
MegaPylon
Profile Joined December 2015
United States4 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-03 08:10:46
April 03 2016 06:20 GMT
#608
Does anyone have any mech builds for TvZ and TvT? I don't care about viability, I just want to do something else. I'm sick of going bio/lib every. Single. Game... and getting crushed because I don't have godly APM. It's stupid.

And yes, I'm aware the map pool is utter trash for mech.
I'm a Low Bronze-High Diamond GM
KonanTenshi
Profile Joined June 2012
Sweden210 Posts
April 03 2016 08:11 GMT
#609
In TvZ I assume you can do either the bunny BO (opening liberators) or do the good old hellion banshee (not sure viability with the increase of roach/ravager openers)
TvT just do whatever you want and add more factories? Make sure you defend the early push/attack incoming.
A tip for TvT use hellbat drop on top of his army.
Curious
AleXusher
Profile Joined September 2014
280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-03 08:52:16
April 03 2016 08:27 GMT
#610
can someone help me and tell me how i defend this stupid cheese?

http://ggtracker.com/matches/6571141
http://ggtracker.com/matches/6571145
http://ggtracker.com/matches/6571160
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MegaPylon
Profile Joined December 2015
United States4 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-04 05:27:02
April 03 2016 22:19 GMT
#611
On April 03 2016 17:11 KonanTenshi wrote:
In TvZ I assume you can do either the bunny BO (opening liberators) or do the good old hellion banshee (not sure viability with the increase of roach/ravager openers)
TvT just do whatever you want and add more factories? Make sure you defend the early push/attack incoming.
A tip for TvT use hellbat drop on top of his army.


Aight, thanks. Didn't think it was that simple :p

On April 04 2016 09:40 EJK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2016 15:20 MegaPylon wrote:
Does anyone have any mech builds for TvZ and TvT? I don't care about viability, I just want to do something else. I'm sick of going bio/lib every. Single. Game... and getting crushed because I don't have godly APM. It's stupid.

And yes, I'm aware the map pool is utter trash for mech.

http://ggtracker.com/matches/6572290

http://ggtracker.com/matches/6572291


Neat. Always helpful to get a replay too. Thank you.
I'm a Low Bronze-High Diamond GM
EJK
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States1302 Posts
April 04 2016 00:40 GMT
#612
On April 03 2016 15:20 MegaPylon wrote:
Does anyone have any mech builds for TvZ and TvT? I don't care about viability, I just want to do something else. I'm sick of going bio/lib every. Single. Game... and getting crushed because I don't have godly APM. It's stupid.

And yes, I'm aware the map pool is utter trash for mech.

http://ggtracker.com/matches/6572290

http://ggtracker.com/matches/6572291
Sc2 Terran Coach, top 16GM NA - interested in coaching? Message me on teamliquid!
KonanTenshi
Profile Joined June 2012
Sweden210 Posts
April 04 2016 05:20 GMT
#613
On April 04 2016 07:19 MegaPylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2016 17:11 KonanTenshi wrote:
In TvZ I assume you can do either the bunny BO (opening liberators) or do the good old hellion banshee (not sure viability with the increase of roach/ravager openers)
TvT just do whatever you want and add more factories? Make sure you defend the early push/attack incoming.
A tip for TvT use hellbat drop on top of his army.


Aight, thanks. Didn't think it was that simple :p



The issue with mech is that safely getting up a production/army that can defend the strong pushes of Bio.
Curious
MegaPylon
Profile Joined December 2015
United States4 Posts
April 04 2016 05:38 GMT
#614
On April 04 2016 14:20 KonanTenshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2016 07:19 MegaPylon wrote:
On April 03 2016 17:11 KonanTenshi wrote:
In TvZ I assume you can do either the bunny BO (opening liberators) or do the good old hellion banshee (not sure viability with the increase of roach/ravager openers)
TvT just do whatever you want and add more factories? Make sure you defend the early push/attack incoming.
A tip for TvT use hellbat drop on top of his army.


Aight, thanks. Didn't think it was that simple :p



The issue with mech is that safely getting up a production/army that can defend the strong pushes of Bio.

Oh. I fairly new to TvT compared to a lot of Terrans, so I'm still working on trying to not die horribly to something totally random. Gonna keep that in mind.
I'm a Low Bronze-High Diamond GM
AleXusher
Profile Joined September 2014
280 Posts
April 04 2016 10:09 GMT
#615
are there any indepth Terran guides out already? I have no clue how to play Terran any more, i lose every TvZ and every TvP, the only MU i stayed well is TvT. Vs Zerg i seem unable to harass, prevent bases or do anything right. I just outright lose, they have more army, faster tech, in HotS it seemed balanced, now its like fighting a brickwall, for me at least. i have trouble staying even against ling bling muta, and as soon as Ultras are out i can instant tab out, libs suck/get nerfed, ghosts never work for me, and the rest doesnt do well against them either.

and Vs toss i even dont need to start, their allins are even stronger, more forgiving PO shuts down any aggression, am i not supposed to play active bio any more? Is it just sit back max out and push?
Master League Terran Gameplay - https://www.youtube.com/user/AleXusher92 // Cheap Highlevel coaching - https://www.gamersensei.com/senseis/alexusher
EJK
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States1302 Posts
April 04 2016 13:33 GMT
#616
On April 04 2016 19:09 AleXusher wrote:
are there any indepth Terran guides out already? I have no clue how to play Terran any more, i lose every TvZ and every TvP, the only MU i stayed well is TvT. Vs Zerg i seem unable to harass, prevent bases or do anything right. I just outright lose, they have more army, faster tech, in HotS it seemed balanced, now its like fighting a brickwall, for me at least. i have trouble staying even against ling bling muta, and as soon as Ultras are out i can instant tab out, libs suck/get nerfed, ghosts never work for me, and the rest doesnt do well against them either.

and Vs toss i even dont need to start, their allins are even stronger, more forgiving PO shuts down any aggression, am i not supposed to play active bio any more? Is it just sit back max out and push?


I recently did a tvp video that might help you understand what you should be doing in that matchup better in a macro game

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AleXusher
Profile Joined September 2014
280 Posts
April 04 2016 15:36 GMT
#617
what is about TvZ? your Guides are good, but they take WAY to much time, i rather have a writen guide with just some YT Videos as material to see what is meant
Master League Terran Gameplay - https://www.youtube.com/user/AleXusher92 // Cheap Highlevel coaching - https://www.gamersensei.com/senseis/alexusher
KonanTenshi
Profile Joined June 2012
Sweden210 Posts
April 04 2016 16:44 GMT
#618
I'd recommend Cure vs zerg in the latest GSL group. He did some very nice plays.

http://sc2links.com/tournament.php?tournament=GSL Season One 2016
Curious
EJK
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States1302 Posts
April 04 2016 19:48 GMT
#619
On April 05 2016 00:36 AleXusher wrote:
what is about TvZ? your Guides are good, but they take WAY to much time, i rather have a writen guide with just some YT Videos as material to see what is meant

If I was to write all of this material, it would still take you about 20-30 minutes to read through it all. There is simply too much information going on to make my content any shorter without significantly decreasing the quality
Sc2 Terran Coach, top 16GM NA - interested in coaching? Message me on teamliquid!
BeStFAN
Profile Blog Joined April 2015
483 Posts
April 04 2016 20:08 GMT
#620
and it'd be really nice to visit his YouTube channel so please visit his YouTube channel please please please!!
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