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On December 30 2014 05:10 Gamegene wrote:some pretty eloquent explanations on the nature of various TvZ scenarios excellent guide  i hope you can continue share more knowledge. your english is more than great too!
trying tvp builds now will share when i finalize them btw i'm in 2015 WCS China round of 64 now thanks for the support of my English lv
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On December 29 2014 23:43 SBGamer wrote: This strat is awesome. Even though i still suck against early speedlings and roach/hydra max outs, and my macro is still bad for this thing (130-140 supply at 13 min? meh.), i have good success with it. Thanks man
this build crash zerg ranged units for 3 reasons. 1), in the first 10min, you are building bio and mines to 100, which are better against roach than reaper hellion. and your 5 barracks finish earlier than reaper hellion build. the above will guarantee solid defense. If your micro are good, you dont even need bunker/tank/scv pull
2) your ebay starts at 7:00, there's no upgrade timing for zerg at all.
3) if zerg commit too much roach b4 11 min, your 4 medivac will be such a pain in the ass. Will have to choose between replenishing roach to defend your multi tasking medivacs before hydra, or drone and drone his 4th for macro game at the same time.
when you play this right, you will be more than happy to see any roach on the map, cauz 10 roach are much easier to deal with than 10 banelings and 10 lings which cost the same amt of resources.
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On December 30 2014 04:16 Milantes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2014 23:43 SBGamer wrote: This strat is awesome. Even though i still suck against early speedlings and roach/hydra max outs, and my macro is still bad for this thing (130-140 supply at 13 min? meh.), i have good success with it. Thanks man This is actually one of the very best builds to play against roach hydra as it gives you the ability to easily flood with bio ( marauder heavy ) + hellbats.
when deal with roach, produce 4-6 mines to defend 1st wave then stop factory production hellbats are less useful than 2 marines or 1 marauders (assume gas is free for mid game tvz) in the mid game.
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On January 05 2015 22:29 liduof wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2014 23:43 SBGamer wrote: This strat is awesome. Even though i still suck against early speedlings and roach/hydra max outs, and my macro is still bad for this thing (130-140 supply at 13 min? meh.), i have good success with it. Thanks man this build crash zerg ranged for 3 reasons. first, in the first 10min, you are building bio to 100, which are better against roach than reaper hellion. and your 5 barracks finish sooner than reaper hellion build. the above will enable you defend first wave of roach more than second, your ebay starts at 7:00, there's no upgrade timing for zerg at all. third, if zerg commit too much roach b4 11min, your 4 medivac will be such a pain in the ass, he have to choose between replenishing roach to defend your multi tasking medivacs before hydra, or drone and get a 4th for macro game at the same time. when you play this right, you will be more than happy to see any roach on the map, cauz 10 roach are too ez to deal with than 10 banelings and 10 lings which cost the same amt of resources.
Thanks man! Good luck at WCS!
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On January 06 2015 02:01 SBGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2015 22:29 liduof wrote:On December 29 2014 23:43 SBGamer wrote: This strat is awesome. Even though i still suck against early speedlings and roach/hydra max outs, and my macro is still bad for this thing (130-140 supply at 13 min? meh.), i have good success with it. Thanks man this build crash zerg ranged for 3 reasons. first, in the first 10min, you are building bio to 100, which are better against roach than reaper hellion. and your 5 barracks finish sooner than reaper hellion build. the above will enable you defend first wave of roach more than second, your ebay starts at 7:00, there's no upgrade timing for zerg at all. third, if zerg commit too much roach b4 11min, your 4 medivac will be such a pain in the ass, he have to choose between replenishing roach to defend your multi tasking medivacs before hydra, or drone and get a 4th for macro game at the same time. when you play this right, you will be more than happy to see any roach on the map, cauz 10 roach are too ez to deal with than 10 banelings and 10 lings which cost the same amt of resources. Thanks man! Good luck at WCS!
advanced to 32 now next game against former pro and even by the slightest chance I win, next round would be WCS US top 16 last season. GG
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On January 07 2015 01:30 liduof wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 02:01 SBGamer wrote:On January 05 2015 22:29 liduof wrote:On December 29 2014 23:43 SBGamer wrote: This strat is awesome. Even though i still suck against early speedlings and roach/hydra max outs, and my macro is still bad for this thing (130-140 supply at 13 min? meh.), i have good success with it. Thanks man this build crash zerg ranged for 3 reasons. first, in the first 10min, you are building bio to 100, which are better against roach than reaper hellion. and your 5 barracks finish sooner than reaper hellion build. the above will enable you defend first wave of roach more than second, your ebay starts at 7:00, there's no upgrade timing for zerg at all. third, if zerg commit too much roach b4 11min, your 4 medivac will be such a pain in the ass, he have to choose between replenishing roach to defend your multi tasking medivacs before hydra, or drone and get a 4th for macro game at the same time. when you play this right, you will be more than happy to see any roach on the map, cauz 10 roach are too ez to deal with than 10 banelings and 10 lings which cost the same amt of resources. Thanks man! Good luck at WCS! advanced to 32 now next game against Pro.. gg
Whoa good luck! Hope you do well
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Thanks for this amazingly detailed guide, it does all the thinking required for me :D. The build doesn't seem much harder than other more conventional builds, as very little multitasking is required.
However I'm a bit confused about Avast finding malware from that site where you uploaded replays. I couldn't read or understand anything and just downloaded the replays. + Show Spoiler +
Maybe it's better to upload them elsewhere?
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On January 09 2015 01:06 Bojas wrote:Thanks for this amazingly detailed guide, it does all the thinking required for me :D. The build doesn't seem much harder than other more conventional builds, as very little multitasking is required. However I'm a bit confused about Avast finding malware from that site where you uploaded replays. I couldn't read or understand anything and just downloaded the replays. + Show Spoiler +Maybe it's better to upload them elsewhere?
I put reps to prove that I did manage to won a top amateur Chinese players as an underdog. Since you don't know them at all, you won't find these replays useful, because usually I cannot execute the build perfectly.
Alternatively, just watch vod of bomber vs DRG. It's more than enough for you to understand the build. You can also find bomber replays from spawningtool, under "Redbull Battleground"->"Bomber"
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http://drop.sc/391822
This is a replay of a game I played using this build vs roach hydra. I made a lot of dumb mistakes, like misplacing my first cc, and I tried to be too fancy with the overlord snipe, making my macro fall apart. This was one of the worst games I have ever played using this build.
That being said, when the zerg attacked me, we had equal army supply, but I just lost horribly, then lost my 3rd cc, and from there I would have lost the game if the zerg had spent his 2000 minerals, or even just paid attention to his upgrades, while I was spending all my money at that point. I don't understand why I lost that first fight vs roach hydra. Was it bad positioning, or just a case of having too few units?
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On January 09 2015 08:32 TheLordofAwesome wrote:http://drop.sc/391822This is a replay of a game I played using this build vs roach hydra. I made a lot of dumb mistakes, like misplacing my first cc, and I tried to be too fancy with the overlord snipe, making my macro fall apart. This was one of the worst games I have ever played using this build. That being said, when the zerg attacked me, we had equal army supply, but I just lost horribly, then lost my 3rd cc, and from there I would have lost the game if the zerg had spent his 2000 minerals, or even just paid attention to his upgrades, while I was spending all my money at that point. I don't understand why I lost that first fight vs roach hydra. Was it bad positioning, or just a case of having too few units?
lemme take a look
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On January 09 2015 08:32 TheLordofAwesome wrote:http://drop.sc/391822This is a replay of a game I played using this build vs roach hydra. I made a lot of dumb mistakes, like misplacing my first cc, and I tried to be too fancy with the overlord snipe, making my macro fall apart. This was one of the worst games I have ever played using this build. That being said, when the zerg attacked me, we had equal army supply, but I just lost horribly, then lost my 3rd cc, and from there I would have lost the game if the zerg had spent his 2000 minerals, or even just paid attention to his upgrades, while I was spending all my money at that point. I don't understand why I lost that first fight vs roach hydra. Was it bad positioning, or just a case of having too few units?
first, you do not cancel a CC if you misplace a cc. you are terran, CC can fly.
second, you are not prepared for a zerg ranged combo. you have to scout.
third, you are 80 sec slower than normal on tech. At 8 minute mark, you should have 2 hellions and 2 mines just finished and start starport. and you even forget to produce medivac immediately after starport finish thus you have no medivac even in 12:30. mules should be call down as soon as you have one rdy.
normally, at 12:30, you should have an army size as big as the end of replay.
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I want to thank you again for this amazing build. It's such fun to see the zerg spreading creep thinking "LOL that terran is way too passive" and then shove a big ass army in his face. :D
Also, MKP did a similar build today on GSL right? only slightly greedier
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On January 10 2015 01:03 Bojas wrote: I want to thank you again for this amazing build. It's such fun to see the zerg spreading creep thinking "LOL that terran is way too passive" and then shove a big ass army in his face. :D
Also, MKP did a similar build today on GSL right? only slightly greedier
as long as you put down gas and 2nd barracks on time, you can open with CC first into 3CC.
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what is F2A? please don't use those word it's not popular overall it's a great build and guide Big thanks
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On January 10 2015 13:22 Taefox wrote:what is F2A? please don't use those word it's not popular overall it's a great build and guide  Big thanks
F2 button is the default button that select your whole army.
A means attack move.
He means that in certain situations your macro advantage is big enough that you can select your whole army and attack move and win. This works even in higher leagues.
Edit: I don't think I've ever had as much fun with a build, didn't lose with it yet while my execution is still very sub optimal. You just have soo much stuff :D. Might just leave diamond league behind for the first time after 4 years of being diamond.
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On January 10 2015 19:17 Bojas wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 13:22 Taefox wrote:what is F2A? please don't use those word it's not popular overall it's a great build and guide  Big thanks F2 button is the default button that select your whole army. A means attack move. He means that in certain situations your macro advantage is big enough that you can select your whole army and attack move and win. This works even in higher leagues. Edit: I don't think I've ever had as much fun with a build, didn't lose with it yet while my execution is still very sub optimal. You just have soo much stuff :D. Might just leave diamond league behind for the first time after 4 years of being diamond.
good to know. wish you placed to master tonight
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On January 10 2015 03:08 liduof wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 01:03 Bojas wrote: I want to thank you again for this amazing build. It's such fun to see the zerg spreading creep thinking "LOL that terran is way too passive" and then shove a big ass army in his face. :D
Also, MKP did a similar build today on GSL right? only slightly greedier as long as you put down gas and 2nd barracks on time, you can open with CC first into 3CC. If you watched Snute's practice games against uThermal a couple weeks ago (from uThermal's perspective) you can see CC first into gasless 3CC into pure bio style. The build is very close to the same--it has early 2nd rax before factory, 2 hellions, 2 widow mines, a 10 minute drop, and all infrastructure added before 10 minutes. I've also adapted it myself by doing a build identical to Bomber's after the gas comes down (rax fact ebay ebay starport) but skipping the widow mines because the factory is slightly later.
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On January 11 2015 16:08 PinheadXXXXXX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 03:08 liduof wrote:On January 10 2015 01:03 Bojas wrote: I want to thank you again for this amazing build. It's such fun to see the zerg spreading creep thinking "LOL that terran is way too passive" and then shove a big ass army in his face. :D
Also, MKP did a similar build today on GSL right? only slightly greedier as long as you put down gas and 2nd barracks on time, you can open with CC first into 3CC. If you watched Snute's practice games against uThermal a couple weeks ago (from uThermal's perspective) you can see CC first into gasless 3CC into pure bio style. The build is very close to the same--it has early 2nd rax before factory, 2 hellions, 2 widow mines, a 10 minute drop, and all infrastructure added before 10 minutes. I've also adapted it myself by doing a build identical to Bomber's after the gas comes down (rax fact ebay ebay starport) but skipping the widow mines because the factory is slightly later.
dude that 2 widow mines is all you can count on to defend all-in for whatever reason if you did not finish them b4 8 min mark, place starport next to factory, switch after starport finish.
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Love this build...too bad my macro sucks and i always get disturbed by sth before maxing out...
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On January 12 2015 07:21 liduof wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2015 16:08 PinheadXXXXXX wrote:On January 10 2015 03:08 liduof wrote:On January 10 2015 01:03 Bojas wrote: I want to thank you again for this amazing build. It's such fun to see the zerg spreading creep thinking "LOL that terran is way too passive" and then shove a big ass army in his face. :D
Also, MKP did a similar build today on GSL right? only slightly greedier as long as you put down gas and 2nd barracks on time, you can open with CC first into 3CC. If you watched Snute's practice games against uThermal a couple weeks ago (from uThermal's perspective) you can see CC first into gasless 3CC into pure bio style. The build is very close to the same--it has early 2nd rax before factory, 2 hellions, 2 widow mines, a 10 minute drop, and all infrastructure added before 10 minutes. I've also adapted it myself by doing a build identical to Bomber's after the gas comes down (rax fact ebay ebay starport) but skipping the widow mines because the factory is slightly later. dude that 2 widow mines is all you can count on to defend all-in for whatever reason if you did not finish them b4 8 min mark, place starport next to factory, switch after starport finish.
Bomber builds the starport on the reactor that he used to make the Hellions / mines.
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