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BigRedDog
461 Posts
With your first wave of hydras, get infestor pit, get hive and then get roach warren. Once hive is done get vipers and add roaches to your hydra mix. Trade army w/ toss while expanding and get double spire to tech switch. For ZvT, against bio is ling, bling and mutas into ultras or broodlord. For ZvZ, mass roaches into hydras or infestors. 13p/15h w/ block natural to get early roach 1/1 timings is very popular. Or someone open early 2 base mutas to get map control. Hope this helps! | ||
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Theilo
Germany26 Posts
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
also i'm not sure what reddog means by "block natural to get early roach 1/1 timings" o_O edit: ohh he means walling your own natural, okay. that makes sense. 13p is pretty safe, but on ladder that's fine. you can go 15p and still defend early pools. | ||
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AbouSV
Germany1278 Posts
You have to have a good map awareness since corruptor are slower than muta and you have to kill the medivac before it unload if you don't want to back part of your army, but this allows you to have sooooo many bling, and to go +3/+3 more easily, and then have a more balanced choice between ultra and brood. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
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AbouSV
Germany1278 Posts
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
I know about the whole mech debacle and how ByuL is good at handling that so I can look into videos of him if I want. Asking more about Zerg and Protoss. Is Muta vs Muta play still dominating the ladder and is Protoss still opening with 1 Stargate -> transition? The latter is important as it'll determine whether I go mass Speedlings into Mutalisks or Roaches. | ||
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dr3am_b3ing
Canada188 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On September 22 2015 22:06 dr3am_b3ing wrote: Something for you zergs, I've been getting away with Nexus first into a 1 gas 7 gate on 2p maps and there's almost nothing you can do to stop my push. Figure out how to deal with that one 9pool | ||
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glitryeye
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dr3am_b3ing
Canada188 Posts
How many of you are actually going 9 pool instead of 15 hatch though | ||
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Gullis
Sweden740 Posts
I brought 2 drones to try and kill the scv but there is a sweet spot where it cant be hit. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On September 29 2015 03:38 Gullis wrote: How do I defend against reaper, normal rax timing, when he puts a bunker between your hatchery and the minerals? I brought 2 drones to try and kill the scv but there is a sweet spot where it cant be hit. just make your queen and 8-10 lings and kill it. even if he salvages, he's investing 100 minerals early in his build, for 100 minerals you can have 4 extra lings on top of the 4-6 you normally make against reapers. a reaper can't kill the lings fast enough to save the bunker as long as you use your queen to focus the SCV whenever it's outside the bunker repairing if your reaction is late and you feel really screwed you can make a spine and then cancel if you defend before it finishes | ||
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BigRedDog
461 Posts
On September 23 2015 23:25 dr3am_b3ing wrote: How many of you are actually going 9 pool instead of 15 hatch though I've been messing with 8 pool against Toss once in a while even on 2 players map. It is a good break up against the boring meta game. Sometimes you can catch a toss off guard and get a good break. | ||
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EngrishTeacher
Canada1109 Posts
Is it worth it to get an early gas, say right after your natural is finished, so you're on a total of 18 drones with an overlord morphing with 1 morphing into an extractor? What's the best defense against this kind of aggression? | ||
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courtpanda
866 Posts
ZvT -is hatch first still standard? -how do you play against mech? i've been trying mutas to contain them into broodlords ZvP -is there any reason I can't go hatch first? -What 2 base timings should I be looking out for, and at what time? | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On October 04 2015 05:30 courtpanda wrote: getting back into sc2, have a few questions about matchups and build orders ZvT -is hatch first still standard? -how do you play against mech? i've been trying mutas to contain them into broodlords ZvP -is there any reason I can't go hatch first? -What 2 base timings should I be looking out for, and at what time? hatch first is 99% of zvts, yes. vs mech 2 base muta is a typical opener, common followups are a massive roach push into roach hydra viper or straight to queen ultra with melee ups. your endgame army is queen ultra hydra and 5-10 vipers for mass abduct (hydras are for DPS, ultras tank, queens transfuse). keep your vipers alive, transfuse them if you have to. broodlords are fine if he doesnt make mass viking but currently mass viking is common in tvz mech. if he's on heavy skyterran, like mass raven viking, you probably want infestors too. if you take a good fight and have a large bank, you can end the game with a massive muta switch (like 30-50 mutas) but this depends heavily on his army after the fight. you can hatch first vs p if you have strong and well practiced anti cannon rush micro, otherwise you will get cannon rushed. as for 2 base timings, it's protoss. anything can be a 2 base timing until you see a third base, you just have to overlord scout and poke with lings at the front to see what's going on. typical macro play for protoss is a 7-8 minute third with mass sentry into blink stalkers, sometimes with an empty third nexus allin, sometimes with a transition to storm (colossus is still seen on ladder but it's less popular now because of vipers). oracle openers are also common so make blind spores around 7 minutes if you don't get a scout | ||
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courtpanda
866 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On October 04 2015 19:57 courtpanda wrote: also, how do you micro against widow mines? ive lost so many games because i dont know how to work around them send small packs of lings (4-8) to bait WM shots into bio, if you want to attack the bio army (usually you should just delaythe parade push until your eco is big enough to eventually overwhelm the Terran, sending off small portions of ling/bane when he's pushing on your creep) - make sure to spread your units and send split lings first WM will always do damage, you should aim to minimize the damage or try to draw their splash into Terran army mutalisks should also be used to snipe stray WMs that are lagging behind Terran army/burrowed far enough from it | ||
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
move command your lings in, do not attack move them. They will go in further and bait more shots. same with your ling/bane army - the lings in front should be move commanded so they run as far into the bio as possible. get at least 2 but 3 or 4 if you can groups of banelings and make sure they are right clicked on marines. if you just let em A move, marines will stim back while your banes det on marauders or tanks. there is a lot to do in those 5 seconds. | ||
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