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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
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uNreaLTT
United Kingdom16 Posts
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
On March 14 2013 17:42 uNreaLTT wrote: is rax cc, cc viable with widow mine defense in tvx, the only insta lost seems double proxy reapers, am i way off in thinking this ?? You are way off.. Examples: 1) Blink the second wm fires = no dmg 2) Hallucination to trigger wm 3) Observer + Stalker 4) Sending 1 ling at time to trigger wm 5) 1/1/1 push with Raven/Tank ... There are plenty of ways how to dismantle wm without any support. Only TvZ you can get away with this I feel. | ||
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Mongolbonjwa
Finland376 Posts
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uNreaLTT
United Kingdom16 Posts
On March 14 2013 18:29 Everlong wrote: You are way off.. Examples: 1) Blink the second wm fires = no dmg 2) Hallucination to trigger wm 3) Observer + Stalker 4) Sending 1 ling at time to trigger wm 5) 1/1/1 push with Raven/Tank ... There are plenty of ways how to dismantle wm without any support. Only TvZ you can get away with this I feel. Well obviously you would have marines and bunkers but even then you would need to delay the opponent long enough to break whatever contain or get whatever tech, it's a build what im going to work on anyways  | ||
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
On March 14 2013 18:52 Mongolbonjwa wrote: If there any more than one widow mine, does one unit trigger all mines that are in range? There is delay in situation where single unit gets in range of multiple widow mines I think. To me it seems that wm checks if the target is still alive and then next wm triggers. Sometimes it just feels very random. I'd not advice to rely on some cool "tricks" using widow mines. You risk getting frustrated if it detonates the way you would not expect it to do, which it does sometimes. Just use them in a way you are sure they do something. For example - defending proxy Oracle, securing fast 3rd TvZ, stopping roach/ling/bling, strenghten your anti-drop defense, etc.. | ||
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
On March 14 2013 18:59 uNreaLTT wrote: Well obviously you would have marines and bunkers but even then you would need to delay the opponent long enough to break whatever contain or get whatever tech, it's a build what im going to work on anyways Great, post some results then. I'm curious if someone is able to make fast 3cc + widow mine work. I think we need to be specific on matchup, because, for example, in TvP, I'm pretty sure you can't go fast 3cc no matter what. There are just too many things that might outright kill you. But on the other hand, Protoss needs to take wm into account and prepare accordingly. | ||
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Mongolbonjwa
Finland376 Posts
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Mongolbonjwa
Finland376 Posts
On March 14 2013 19:03 Everlong wrote: Great, post some results then. I'm curious if someone is able to make fast 3cc + widow mine work. I think we need to be specific on matchup, because, for example, in TvP, I'm pretty sure you can't go fast 3cc no matter what. There are just too many things that might outright kill you. But on the other hand, Protoss needs to take wm into account and prepare accordingly. You can build third CC in any matchup, its just 400 mineral. | ||
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
On March 14 2013 19:10 Mongolbonjwa wrote: Offensively I think it is best to use widow mines in a vertical line in relation to where the enemy army is incoming, as opposed to lateral position because few units may then trigger all mines and enemy army does not walk past untriggered mines. Then you risk losing all of them one by one, don't you think? | ||
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
On March 14 2013 19:12 Mongolbonjwa wrote: You can build third CC in any matchup, its just 400 mineral. Well, we are talking fast third cc, like, before factory and starport.. You still think it's safe? | ||
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Mongolbonjwa
Finland376 Posts
On March 14 2013 19:13 Everlong wrote: Then you risk losing all of them one by one, don't you think? In that positioning mines are less likely to be left behind without detonating. While kiting stuff, enemy units run in the mines constantly. | ||
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
On March 14 2013 19:16 Mongolbonjwa wrote: In that positioning mines are less likely to be left behind without detonating. While kiting stuff, enemy units run in the mines constantly. If your enemy is not aware, then yes. But it takes just 1 observer and a little bit of awareness and you will lose all your mines while doing no damage at all. | ||
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Mongolbonjwa
Finland376 Posts
On March 14 2013 19:15 Everlong wrote: Well, we are talking fast third cc, like, before factory and starport.. You still think it's safe? I dont know, often I just build third CC pretty fast for mules and additional scv. Then lift off to expansion location once you think you can secure it. Often times you can lift it while attacking. Some mines at third would be good. | ||
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Mongolbonjwa
Finland376 Posts
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
On March 14 2013 19:17 Mongolbonjwa wrote: I dont know, often I just build third CC pretty fast for mules and additional scv. Then lift off to expansion location once you think you can secure it. Often times you can lift it while attacking. Some mines at third would be good. May I ask what league you play in? I'm just curious, because in my experience, there is no way you can "build fast 3rd cc and place it there while attacking".. Have you faced something like Voidray/Gateway allin, or Dt's, etc? | ||
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Mongolbonjwa
Finland376 Posts
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
On March 14 2013 19:23 Mongolbonjwa wrote: Well, lifting CC does not cost anything. Also what time window are we talking about. I think me and you, we have completely difference experience with this game, so I will leave it now as it is, good luck. | ||
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KaiserJohan
Sweden1808 Posts
On March 14 2013 19:24 Everlong wrote: I think me and you, we have completely difference experience with this game, so I will leave it now as it is, good luck. Why? It's a perfectly valid question. Your eco will skyrocket with early 3rd CC and you can definately make a timing attack with it. It is 400 minerals that quickly pays itself. As for defending, you would survive of bio and bunkers, and its perfectly viable, this build is used quite alot and has proven itself The real counter to it though is 2-base collosus push | ||
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panicz
Poland3 Posts
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