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JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
March 31 2016 17:28 GMT
#1481
Spending Skill is a single aspect of Macro. A bronze player can have the spending skill of a Grandmaster but not have the other skills necessary to become a Grandmaster player.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
Coldlogic
Profile Joined December 2008
United States116 Posts
April 30 2016 18:37 GMT
#1482
I assume macro benchmarks are off with the current staircase spreadsheet or just broken on GGTracker?
Coldlogic
Profile Joined December 2008
United States116 Posts
May 01 2016 07:48 GMT
#1483
Also, is the guide line for 48 workers on step 1 suppose to be for steps 1 and 2? With 66 starting on step 3? Or maybe just get used to getting 66 workers on step 2, even though they aren't affecting your income much?
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
May 02 2016 12:51 GMT
#1484
Updated! Thanks
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
dahappychappy
Profile Joined July 2015
19 Posts
May 03 2016 09:12 GMT
#1485
Wow, I noticed the map on ggtracker is now working, also the game time seems to have been fixed!! So cool. Not sure about the saturation speed benchmark yet. Booo yea!!! So good!
dahappychappy
Profile Joined July 2015
19 Posts
June 10 2016 11:16 GMT
#1486
The Saturation Speed is not right as it should be around 14 second for plat. But it is saying a number like minutes. is good.
sc2_him
Profile Joined June 2016
2 Posts
June 12 2016 00:23 GMT
#1487
I just wanted to inform that GGtracker Saturation Speed is not working properly for LOTV.
NeoBlade
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany262 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 15:18:54
July 26 2016 14:39 GMT
#1488
A Master-Zerg made videos regarding TheStaircase.

He used #1, #2 and #3 (Zerglings, Upgrades and Drops) to move from Bronze to Masters.

His guide:
https://redd.it/4jqmd4
(Road/Guide to Master - All you need are lings)

Example Platinum "Zerglings vs Hellbats":


Example Diamond "Zerglings vs Adepts, Sentries, Phoenix, etc":


[image loading]

German Guide "TheStaircase"
http://youtube.com/NeoBladeSC2
Megs
Profile Joined July 2016
6 Posts
July 28 2016 17:30 GMT
#1489
Hi All,

I started the staircase as a terran a couple of days ago. I've set diamond as my goal although i'd settle for feeling like i had a reasonable grasp of the game!

I'm feel like i'm struggling to spend my minerals now because i seem to expand and drone so fast i have a massive income. it's not uncommon for me to approach or surpass 30 rax. i also end up with 5 or 6 orbital command centres. the people i'm playing against aren't impressed with the constant stream of marines across the map.

i still don't feel that in control though - i just whack barracks down anywhere and everywhere add them to control group and rally to my rally point. it all feels a little fast and thoughtless.

should i be concentrating on less bases and rax so things go more slowly? i'm a bit of a perfectionist and even if i'm hitting by benchmarks i still don't feel like i have control of my macro and would welcome any advice.

thanks,
Megs
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
July 28 2016 21:44 GMT
#1490
the people i'm playing against aren't impressed with the constant stream of marines across the map.


Don't worry about impressing your opponents, you've got the long term play here

I know the perfectionist feel (I did co-found TheCore hotkey project), but if you're hitting your benchmarks it's definitely time to move on. TheStaircase exists to give you some solid fundamentals and to help you understand core concepts that you can apply to all your future games.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
Megs
Profile Joined July 2016
6 Posts
July 29 2016 13:15 GMT
#1491
Don't worry about impressing your opponents, you've got the long term play here


haha, I'm not worried about impressing, it's quite funny how angry they get at having waves of 50-60 marines at a time sent at them constantly.

thanks for your response Jakatak and thank you for developing this training method. SC2 is so overwhelming when you're new to it and as a result i bet a lot of people give up on it quickly. your method is exactly the sort of thing i was hoping to find when i started searching for some help!

step 2 here i come!
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-29 20:59:37
July 29 2016 20:58 GMT
#1492
On July 29 2016 02:30 Megs wrote:
Hi All,

I started the staircase as a terran a couple of days ago. I've set diamond as my goal although i'd settle for feeling like i had a reasonable grasp of the game!

I'm feel like i'm struggling to spend my minerals now because i seem to expand and drone so fast i have a massive income. it's not uncommon for me to approach or surpass 30 rax. i also end up with 5 or 6 orbital command centres. the people i'm playing against aren't impressed with the constant stream of marines across the map.

i still don't feel that in control though - i just whack barracks down anywhere and everywhere add them to control group and rally to my rally point. it all feels a little fast and thoughtless.

should i be concentrating on less bases and rax so things go more slowly? i'm a bit of a perfectionist and even if i'm hitting by benchmarks i still don't feel like i have control of my macro and would welcome any advice.

thanks,
Megs

This doesn't make any sense. Post a replay please. 30 rax (unreactored) producing marines constantly would requires at least 4 saturated bases, with mules. If reactored then you would have need to have 8+ bases. Assuming you already invested in depots. And not reaching the supply cap because your marines instantly die as soon as they are made. You would basically win any game or improve yourself faster doing anything else.
Megs
Profile Joined July 2016
6 Posts
July 30 2016 09:14 GMT
#1493
http://drop.sc/replay/3206031

I don't think I can use reactors as they cost gas (don't they?) and i'm doing step 1 with no gas.

I'm not really that worried about winning or losing at present, I just want to understand about saturating bases, spending resources and developing some muscle memory. You can see by the way i place barracks down that i'm not really thinking about placement of buildings and some of this is due to just trying to spend the money as fast as i can. at one point i have lots of unspent resources and i think i slapped down another 10 barracks at that point - which is not the idea of course, the idea is not to accumulate resources.

ThorPool
Profile Joined February 2014
Panama145 Posts
July 30 2016 13:25 GMT
#1494
Megs,I only saw the CHAT and now I want to see the replay hahaha You did well,your enemy Bmd you. Get used to it :D
RuFF! Let the cheese rain !
Liox
Profile Joined December 2013
Germany47 Posts
July 30 2016 13:46 GMT
#1495
@Megs How many games did you play with the Staircase until now?
"Put mind in gear before open mouth"
Megs
Profile Joined July 2016
6 Posts
July 30 2016 17:34 GMT
#1496
that replay was game 12 (i've been re-naming my replays since i started the staircase so i can keep track). I'm now up to game 24 and am trying to do step 2 now.

I'm trying to to look at my base to much but feel like i am constantly building more barracks and to do that i need to be looking at my base - barracks and marines are so cheap i do struggle to spend 1500-2500 minerals per minute on just barracks and marines.

@thorpool - the chat was amusing.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
July 30 2016 19:02 GMT
#1497
So basically that was a brag and shame post. Nice...

Anyways, you actually won at 9 mins and could had won with the most basic micro a lot earlier, but the game continued for another 13 minutes senselessly. But hey, you get to decide how to spend your time. Anyways, the reason why you are approaching 30 rax is:

1) Your rax are naked. usually the assumption is that they are not naked. If you said 15 reactored rax, this would not sound as strange.
2) Your rax building and supply building is done in big batches instead of a smooth progression, so you get a large bank and then spend it all at once, so you end up over producing barracks to keep the money low. Also it is inefficient.
3) Your marines are basically dying as soon as they are made. If you watch the game, you will see how a little micro goes a long way, same way that a little macro can go a long way.

You said "i still don't feel that in control though - i just whack barracks down anywhere and everywhere add them to control group and rally to my rally point. it all feels a little fast and thoughtless. " That's right. It is mindless. That's the point. You remove the ability to respond to your opponent for the ability to simply thoughtlessly churn out marines. In your games, it worked. In other games, this would not work. You don't feel in control, because you don't even notice that you could have won the game 10 minutes ago.

Anyways, if you want to "understand about saturating bases, spending resources and developing some muscle memory", this method isn't the best way to go about it. Well, you do get muscle memory. If you want to place your barracks better, just aim your buildings a little better. Stack them in rows, leaving some gaps (for when you learn to build addons eventually), and place your depots NEXT to each other to conserve space.
DrDevice
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada132 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-31 15:11:58
July 31 2016 15:10 GMT
#1498
On July 31 2016 04:02 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
So basically that was a brag and shame post. Nice...
You seem upset. I don't know why, he was very up front that he's a noob and that what he's doing isn't good. He is just trying to learn. Your criticisms of his play are mostly accurate but there is no need to be so aggressive about it. He's new, of course he's bad. That's okay. Also you seem upset about how just building marines is "mindless", but that is the entire point of the staircase method. Maybe you forgot what thread you were reading?
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
July 31 2016 17:40 GMT
#1499
Context. Context. He said ""i still don't feel that in control though - i just whack barracks down anywhere and everywhere add them to control group and rally to my rally point. it all feels a little fast and thoughtless. " His words not mine.

And he is right. That's the point. It is mindless. The point of building only 3 buildings the entire game, the point of only building marines IS that it is thoughtless, it is mindless. That's how you gain muscle memory. Of course he is going to feel like he doesn't understand anything, when he chose to play in a manner where he never looks outside his base. And that is his choice, but he needs to understand that it is his choice that leadds him to feel that way.
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
August 05 2016 18:34 GMT
#1500
Also want to add in here that it's just step 1. TheStaircase is a progression system, your likely not going to fully understand it's purpose until you've gone through a couple of steps.

Something about judging books by their covers
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
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