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JaKaTaKSc2
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Coldlogic
United States116 Posts
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Coldlogic
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JaKaTaKSc2
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dahappychappy
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dahappychappy
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sc2_him
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NeoBlade
Germany262 Posts
He used #1, #2 and #3 (Zerglings, Upgrades and Drops) to move from Bronze to Masters. His guide: https://redd.it/4jqmd4 (Road/Guide to Master - All you need are lings) Example Platinum "Zerglings vs Hellbats": Example Diamond "Zerglings vs Adepts, Sentries, Phoenix, etc": ![[image loading]](http://www.enchantedlearning.com/europe/germany/flag/Flagbig.GIF) German Guide "TheStaircase" | ||
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Megs
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I started the staircase as a terran a couple of days ago. I've set diamond as my goal although i'd settle for feeling like i had a reasonable grasp of the game! I'm feel like i'm struggling to spend my minerals now because i seem to expand and drone so fast i have a massive income. it's not uncommon for me to approach or surpass 30 rax. i also end up with 5 or 6 orbital command centres. the people i'm playing against aren't impressed with the constant stream of marines across the map. i still don't feel that in control though - i just whack barracks down anywhere and everywhere add them to control group and rally to my rally point. it all feels a little fast and thoughtless. should i be concentrating on less bases and rax so things go more slowly? i'm a bit of a perfectionist and even if i'm hitting by benchmarks i still don't feel like i have control of my macro and would welcome any advice. thanks, Megs | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
the people i'm playing against aren't impressed with the constant stream of marines across the map. Don't worry about impressing your opponents, you've got the long term play here I know the perfectionist feel (I did co-found TheCore hotkey project), but if you're hitting your benchmarks it's definitely time to move on. TheStaircase exists to give you some solid fundamentals and to help you understand core concepts that you can apply to all your future games. | ||
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Megs
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Don't worry about impressing your opponents, you've got the long term play here haha, I'm not worried about impressing, it's quite funny how angry they get at having waves of 50-60 marines at a time sent at them constantly. thanks for your response Jakatak and thank you for developing this training method. SC2 is so overwhelming when you're new to it and as a result i bet a lot of people give up on it quickly. your method is exactly the sort of thing i was hoping to find when i started searching for some help! step 2 here i come! | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On July 29 2016 02:30 Megs wrote: Hi All, I started the staircase as a terran a couple of days ago. I've set diamond as my goal although i'd settle for feeling like i had a reasonable grasp of the game! I'm feel like i'm struggling to spend my minerals now because i seem to expand and drone so fast i have a massive income. it's not uncommon for me to approach or surpass 30 rax. i also end up with 5 or 6 orbital command centres. the people i'm playing against aren't impressed with the constant stream of marines across the map. i still don't feel that in control though - i just whack barracks down anywhere and everywhere add them to control group and rally to my rally point. it all feels a little fast and thoughtless. should i be concentrating on less bases and rax so things go more slowly? i'm a bit of a perfectionist and even if i'm hitting by benchmarks i still don't feel like i have control of my macro and would welcome any advice. thanks, Megs This doesn't make any sense. Post a replay please. 30 rax (unreactored) producing marines constantly would requires at least 4 saturated bases, with mules. If reactored then you would have need to have 8+ bases. Assuming you already invested in depots. And not reaching the supply cap because your marines instantly die as soon as they are made. You would basically win any game or improve yourself faster doing anything else. | ||
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Megs
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I don't think I can use reactors as they cost gas (don't they?) and i'm doing step 1 with no gas. I'm not really that worried about winning or losing at present, I just want to understand about saturating bases, spending resources and developing some muscle memory. You can see by the way i place barracks down that i'm not really thinking about placement of buildings and some of this is due to just trying to spend the money as fast as i can. at one point i have lots of unspent resources and i think i slapped down another 10 barracks at that point - which is not the idea of course, the idea is not to accumulate resources. | ||
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ThorPool
Panama145 Posts
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Liox
Germany47 Posts
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Megs
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I'm trying to to look at my base to much but feel like i am constantly building more barracks and to do that i need to be looking at my base - barracks and marines are so cheap i do struggle to spend 1500-2500 minerals per minute on just barracks and marines. @thorpool - the chat was amusing. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Anyways, you actually won at 9 mins and could had won with the most basic micro a lot earlier, but the game continued for another 13 minutes senselessly. But hey, you get to decide how to spend your time. Anyways, the reason why you are approaching 30 rax is: 1) Your rax are naked. usually the assumption is that they are not naked. If you said 15 reactored rax, this would not sound as strange. 2) Your rax building and supply building is done in big batches instead of a smooth progression, so you get a large bank and then spend it all at once, so you end up over producing barracks to keep the money low. Also it is inefficient. 3) Your marines are basically dying as soon as they are made. If you watch the game, you will see how a little micro goes a long way, same way that a little macro can go a long way. You said "i still don't feel that in control though - i just whack barracks down anywhere and everywhere add them to control group and rally to my rally point. it all feels a little fast and thoughtless. " That's right. It is mindless. That's the point. You remove the ability to respond to your opponent for the ability to simply thoughtlessly churn out marines. In your games, it worked. In other games, this would not work. You don't feel in control, because you don't even notice that you could have won the game 10 minutes ago. Anyways, if you want to "understand about saturating bases, spending resources and developing some muscle memory", this method isn't the best way to go about it. Well, you do get muscle memory. If you want to place your barracks better, just aim your buildings a little better. Stack them in rows, leaving some gaps (for when you learn to build addons eventually), and place your depots NEXT to each other to conserve space. | ||
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DrDevice
Canada132 Posts
On July 31 2016 04:02 Dangermousecatdog wrote: You seem upset. I don't know why, he was very up front that he's a noob and that what he's doing isn't good. He is just trying to learn. Your criticisms of his play are mostly accurate but there is no need to be so aggressive about it. He's new, of course he's bad. That's okay. Also you seem upset about how just building marines is "mindless", but that is the entire point of the staircase method. Maybe you forgot what thread you were reading? So basically that was a brag and shame post. Nice... | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
And he is right. That's the point. It is mindless. The point of building only 3 buildings the entire game, the point of only building marines IS that it is thoughtless, it is mindless. That's how you gain muscle memory. Of course he is going to feel like he doesn't understand anything, when he chose to play in a manner where he never looks outside his base. And that is his choice, but he needs to understand that it is his choice that leadds him to feel that way. | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
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