Thanks for the suggestions feng.

We're working on a couple ideas for supply right now. I'll definitely keep yours in mind. As far as queens goes, energy is a poort way to measure injects IMO. Average inject gap is much more useful.

Definitely like the time idea. I'll see if we can work that in

dsjoerg

United States384 Posts

March 31 2013 18:05 GMT

#682

On March 31 2013 16:04 fengshaun wrote:
A method to keep track of supply: I believe the replay has contains the information about supply

Hi, I'm the GGTracker guy. Unfortunately the replay file does not contain this information

Queens' energy that goes up to 200

Queen energy is not in the replay either

The current block graph for inject timing is really brief, you can't tell when exactly you missed the inject!

You may not know that you can click-and-drag on the inject graph to zoom in. So you can see exactly when a too-large inject gap happened.

The reason I want there to be these time information is that with this extra information, you can just go to that time in the top big graph and see exactly how the map looked like. There is a very good chance you'll remember what you were doing at that time.

Great idea!

"time supply blocked" is of no use (although I've recently been hovering at around 1:00 rather than 2:00 or even 3:00, which is a big improvement!).

I think GGTracker can make time supply capped useful. I've been studying the data and it seems like there is a strong relationship between game length and time supply blocked. So we can set some benchmarks such as for a 10 minute game, you should be supply capped for about 56 seconds -- any more than that is a problem.

What do you think? Thanks for the feedback!

fengshaun

149 Posts

March 31 2013 23:24 GMT

#683

@Jak: I never thought about the average inject gap. That definitely seems better! May I ask what those ideas are, or are they top super secret nuclear-grade ideas?

On April 01 2013 03:05 dsjoerg wrote:
Hi, I'm the GGTracker guy. Unfortunately the replay file does not contain this information

Queen energy is not in the replay either

Well, that's just unfortunate! Is there a way to calculate the supply information based on present units/etc.?

You may not know that you can click-and-drag on the inject graph to zoom in. So you can see exactly when a too-large inject gap happened.

I didn't know that. Then the queen energy problem is solved!

If that is indeed possible, then time supply capped will be the easiest method to keep track of supply there is! But even then, it would be nice and quite helpful to know exactly *when* you got supply blocked. Was it during a battle? Or was it that time you took a bathroom break in the middle of the game? But I guess that requires the replay file to contain some form of information about the supply, or at least the information needed to reconstruct such information!

fengshaun

149 Posts

March 31 2013 23:56 GMT

#684

At a second glance, reconstructing supply information seems prohibitively cumbersome! I gather there is only information about the events, so the only way to know the supply at a certain time is to sequence all create unit and unit die events until that point in time.

What parser do you use? If it's opensource, can I have a look at it and any current information regarding the replay file?

alcaras

United States67 Posts

April 01 2013 02:03 GMT

#685

Loving TheStaircase thus far.

Quick question:
- Is there a new benchmark for ggtracker's "Race Macro" (at least for Zerg)? e.g. That seems to encapsulate queen inject nicely at a glance, but the spreadsheet for 6.0 just has "Benchmarks" and a blank there, with no actual benchmarks yet.

dsjoerg

United States384 Posts

April 01 2013 02:06 GMT

#686

On April 01 2013 08:56 fengshaun wrote:
At a second glance, reconstructing supply information seems prohibitively cumbersome! I gather there is only information about the events, so the only way to know the supply at a certain time is to sequence all create unit and unit die events until that point in time.

What parser do you use? If it's opensource, can I have a look at it and any current information regarding the replay file?

sc2reader. https://github.com/GraylinKim/sc2reader

Very nice library, well written and maintained.

fengshaun

149 Posts

April 01 2013 02:43 GMT

#687

On April 01 2013 11:06 dsjoerg wrote:

Show nested quote +

sc2reader. https://github.com/GraylinKim/sc2reader

Very nice library, well written and maintained.

Thanks, I'll have a look at it and see if I can do anything given my second-to-nonexistent programming skills!

SaMicH

United Kingdom2 Posts

April 01 2013 21:21 GMT

#688

How do you check your resource collection rate? I could not find it on GG or on my replays.

JaKaTaKSc2

United States2787 Posts

April 01 2013 21:33 GMT

#689

you do not need resource collection rate anymore. All you need is spending skill, no calculations necessary

SaMicH

United Kingdom2 Posts

April 01 2013 21:44 GMT

#690

I see that now. But that brings up a question. In one game I have spend like a gold player, and my SS is 82, where in another one I spend like a diamond player, and my SS is only 61.

JaKaTaKSc2

United States2787 Posts

April 01 2013 22:13 GMT

#691

SS is time dependent. The longer the game is, the lower the SQ can be to get a certain league (this is what the analysis of our data shows).

fengshaun

149 Posts

April 01 2013 22:21 GMT

#692

It seems almost impossible to figure out supply information accurately without actually recreate the game (what SC2 client actually does) from the events, and that'd take at least many months to do! The best bet is data for 'time supply capped'!

How's that data going?

JaKaTaKSc2

United States2787 Posts

April 01 2013 23:21 GMT

#693

We're messing with time supply capped in combination with other variables to create a more meaningful metric. We may just use it straight up as it correlates strongly with game length.

fethers

United States19 Posts

April 02 2013 02:08 GMT

#694

This is me.

http://ggtracker.com/players/8619

Why doesn't it show my spending skill for my last 8 games?

dsjoerg

United States384 Posts

April 02 2013 02:29 GMT

#695

On April 02 2013 11:08 fethers wrote:
This is me.

http://ggtracker.com/players/8619

Why doesn't it show my spending skill for my last 8 games?

It's a character code problem, PM'd you.

fengshaun

149 Posts

April 02 2013 03:43 GMT

#696

On April 02 2013 08:21 JaKaTaK wrote:
We're messing with time supply capped in combination with other variables to create a more meaningful metric. We may just use it straight up as it correlates strongly with game length.

Is there enough data to make a prediction (leaguification) as reliable as the spending skill? What do you mean by combining it with other variables to make it more meaningful? What variables do you have in mind?

alcaras

United States67 Posts

April 02 2013 23:12 GMT

#697

I have to say this is a great way to re-learn SC2. Hilarious fun.

e.g. I'm a plat zerg, here are matches of me practicing TheStaircase and winning with sheer numbers of slow lings.

http://ggtracker.com/matches/2702469
http://ggtracker.com/matches/2702497

There's a wall? No problem! Throw lings at it until the wall goes down.

Haven't had this much fun in 1v1 ladder for a long time (even when I lose, since I'm looking at meeting TheStaircase objectives, not just winning or losing).

fethers

United States19 Posts

April 02 2013 23:16 GMT

#698

Edit: I'm an idiot, ignore this.

Gianttt

Netherlands194 Posts

April 02 2013 23:35 GMT

#699

About the mineral thing it's pretty enjoyable to watch, and it gives the simple advise to focus lesser things at once, to make practice more doable.
Haven't watched the other video's yet so can't give a full opinion of these tutorials, but good luck with making them.