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As it stands, players like Stephano are able to take control of a situation that appears extraordinarily disadvantageous and turn it into an advantage by playing tricks on his opponent. Every single game (however few) Stephano goes mutas his opponents are completely unprepared. MC lost to it in game 2? 3? of their series at NASL, and it was absolutely devastating. He even uses his perceived playstyle to his advantage.
He's also one of the few zergs that actively set up flanks. I started to do it in masters and I enjoyed a healthy boost to my winrate! Nonetheless my engagements aren't as perfect as Stephano's, who seems to just make stuff... work. Always a treat to watch.
In terms of macro, I think SC2 is at a weird point where impeccable macro is not totally required and can be overcome with sheer tactical advantages. Nestea is a similar case, who is considered, "a genius of starcraft" but does not have the mechanics to back it up, unfortunately. The game is still a ways from being figured out. That's part of the fun. I also think Stephano will leave the scene around then - it will be a sad day when he retires.
Nonetheless, the KeSPA pros like him for a reason. + Show Spoiler +
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On July 25 2012 09:23 Infernal_dream wrote:
Overhyped as fuck. He'll fall off the radar like spanishiwa did and every other "good" zerg. SC2 is too much about build orders and not enough about skill. Hence why a person like stephano comes up with a build and is good for a few months then a patch comes out and they never win shit again.
this post is something like 5 or 6 months old at least, lol.
Now from what I saw the true strenght in the Stpehano's play is his ability to engage his opponent with a risky but calculated attack, plus his micro of his units are the fastest I have witnessed from a PoV play, just watch his old sreams it's really stunning how fast he can control his units in a battle. And on top of that he knows when he need to attack or backup and which transisitions he needs to do, he knows when and what units he needs to reinfore his army etc.
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On July 25 2012 09:23 Infernal_dream wrote:
Overhyped as fuck. He'll fall off the radar like spanishiwa did and every other "good" zerg. SC2 is too much about build orders and not enough about skill. Hence why a person like stephano comes up with a build and is good for a few months then a patch comes out and they never win shit again.
You sir deserve a medal for your idiocy. It's quite obvious that you have absolutly no idea of the pro scene. Making a comparison between Spanishiwa and Stephano is pretty stupid.
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On July 25 2012 09:23 Infernal_dream wrote:
Overhyped as fuck. He'll fall off the radar like spanishiwa did and every other "good" zerg. SC2 is too much about build orders and not enough about skill. Hence why a person like stephano comes up with a build and is good for a few months then a patch comes out and they never win shit again.
Holy fucking shit is this a real post.
Even if you've done as little as look at the front page of TL every day, you'd see this is not the case.
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I'll suggest you to watch this video on Millenium portal made just before he went to NASL : http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/videos/videos-de-llewellys/71830-au-coeur-de-l-arene-avec-stephano-partie-1
Problem is this video is in french ;p (a good way for you all "foreigners" to take it with french ! :p)
Btw, he talks a lot in this video about his concerns playing Zerg, his defaults, what he thinks about the game, what makes him stronger (or weakier) against certain type of player, his view about the game itself and the scene, etc ...
A very interresting video that shows a lot about him and his view of the game.
For him, basically, what makes him stronger is his global view of the game and its mechanics.
he says, for example, that the way is approaching the game is not looking at BOs to reproduce or somethings like this, but the way he apprehends globaly the game, to see what would be strong, like the 3 hatch opening, which he came to by just sitting down and thinking about it. He says that DRG has kind the same approach as him because they came to the same conclusion and opening (3 bases / max roach/speedling) at the same time, which become popular later ...
He says too that his strength is knowing his opponents, and then that's why he like to play lots of events with people that he knows how to play against. He said that playing against people he doesn't know is quite disconcerting because he doesn't know what to expect, and that's why he likes now the way certain tournament are working (for example, MLG with only invited people) because he won't have the surprise to fight people he doesn't know ...
That is just a part of what he's discussing about him in this interview, there is a lot of other interresting things about him and his view of the game, so watch it and ... learn French first !! :p
btw, sorry for my bad english if some of my points aren't understandable :s
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I think that Stephano doesn't scout very often and he gets away with a lot of things that he shouldn't. And a lot of foreign commentators (I'm looking at Apollo, especially) show incredible bias when they commentate his games. See MKP vs Stephano on Cloud Kingdom; MLG Anaheim.
He's a good player, but calling him a god is a complete joke.
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I just can't believe how many people think like he's just OK player, nothing special.
He is the only fucking foreigner from whom we can excpect to whipe the floor with koreans. I am not even a fan boy, nor zerg player, its just my opinion based on following the scene, tournaments, games...Stephano is soo good and succesfull that people think something is wrong if he takes the 4th place. Calling him GOD means nothing, just and expresion probably aiming at the fact that he is the star foreigner of every tournament he is in - i don't understand how that upset so many people.
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He's special by global standards, but the only standards that matter to me are Korean standards. He doesn't stand out amongst the elite.
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Is it possible to have that replay pack linked ?
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On July 25 2012 20:51 Karpfen wrote:
Is it possible to have that replay pack linked ?
twitch.tv/mstephano
replay packs are in the info section
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I think filterSC, who creates videos on youtube called "bronze to masters" actually started off his zerg videos on the theme of what makes Stephano so good. And if I remember correctly the thing he noticed was that his injects are really good and therefore he ends up making more units and drones then most other people.
His whole series follows from that premise; that you can basically win any game from bronze to platinum just by doing perfect injects, droning hard, and then making a ton of roaches to overwhelm the opponent.
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maybe you should study drg
step 1: become a mechanics god
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I don't think Stephano is overhyped. I mean, I don't think many people expected him to win NASL3 (espeically beating MC).
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Stephano is one of the absolute tip-top players in the world, all the rest are Code S Koreans. The reason he's so good is he plays an incredibly solid style, has arguably the best micro of any zerg and mentally is stronger than almost every other play. Nobody (sane) would argue that Stephano has the actualy skill of DRG (not that there's a huge difference, but if you watch them both playing well, the difference is clear), but Stephano stays calm and plays to his strengths in almost every game. Most players aren't able to deliver their best game-after-game, series-after-series like he does.
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Imo it is his army management. His macro is honestly not very good, nor is his general mechanics. But he stands out in the deciding battles because he spends time positioning three flanks, he pulls back units when forcefields land, he snipes sentries that have the most energy, he spreads his broodlords, list goes on. He puts a lot of thought and effort into his engagements to make sure he comes out ahead or trades efficiently, to make up for his "lacking" macro.
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On July 25 2012 09:23 Infernal_dream wrote:
Overhyped as fuck. He'll fall off the radar like spanishiwa did and every other "good" zerg. SC2 is too much about build orders and not enough about skill. Hence why a person like stephano comes up with a build and is good for a few months then a patch comes out and they never win shit again.
Obvious troll is obvious.
If you are not a troll I feel sorry for you
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using the word 'god' seem to offend people, maybe you shouldnt do that. ( you can call idra the god of "eg house" zerg)
i think it is stephano's engagements. he seem to pay a lot of attention into the ratio of units and after a battle, seem to lose a certain proportion of each unit. especially obvious versus large protoss and terran armies
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On July 25 2012 09:23 Infernal_dream wrote:
Overhyped as fuck. He'll fall off the radar like spanishiwa did and every other "good" zerg. SC2 is too much about build orders and not enough about skill. Hence why a person like stephano comes up with a build and is good for a few months then a patch comes out and they never win shit again.
Come to think of it, where is Spanishiwa now and what was so special about him?
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the only thing that could actually be outstanding about stephano is his army management. His multi-pronged attacks and flanks are really damn good. It might be because he got his builds down perfectly and therefore has more time in-game to focus on that(not implying that other pros dont, but for example staphano has been using his max roach build quite a while and refined it and maybe that gives him more time to think about how to crush the 3rd base in-game).
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The answer is very simple.
He doesn't make mistakes.
More precisely, he doesn't make bad decisions. This may seem ridiculous, but just watch his stream. You can't see a fault in anything he does. When you watch other players you can almost always see them making some mistakes or not doing things optimally. Not with Stephano. Most of his losses come from his opponents taking a great risk somehow.
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