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[D] Analysing Stephano, the God of "Foreign" Zerg - Page 6
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TheGreenMachine
United States730 Posts
Watched all the replay analysis and loved it, ty | ||
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Gool
Argentina204 Posts
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
On July 28 2012 17:41 TheGreenMachine wrote: Stephano is really consistent and he does a lot of small things right, he also has amazing decision making ingame. He plays very relaxed so he does a lot of thinking ingame rather than before the game through hours of practice. But he doesn't 11-hatch! lol | ||
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Niteblade_
Canada292 Posts
This thread is going nowhere really. Other than tangs original post, (which did have at least some good information in the analysis, although I have no idea why you did all video and didn't write up a build order guide or something like that). Its just a big circle jerk on how good stephano is. All I have to say to that is he is good, but he is overhyped. FOr the best foreigner (or best player as some claim) he doesn't have that great of tournament results (im talking major ones, like MLG championships and IPL's, not showmatchs or france only tournies). His first at NASL was good, but other than that, and IPL 3, he has failed to grab a significant championship (and failed to qualify for things like TSL 4 etc, which he should be able to do as the "best" foreigner). Other than one of the spring arena's, he has also failed to do well in most of the MLGs (by his hype standard anyways). Trying to compare him as the best at zvp or whatever you want doesn't stand up to his results (just my opinion) for how much hype he gets. (a side note on those who mention he is "perfect" at engaements or whatever, you are wrong. If he was perfect, he'd be taking first places all the time. Extremely good is a better adjective). And hes been gutted before in a match vs someone who prepares well (MVP vs Stephano in the blizzard cup for example). This is why the true test will be for him to do well in the GSL, where the top players are. If he can do well there, he will have lived up to the hype. (and i hope he does) On topic: I would suggest to actually make this thread more useful than a stream plug and a fan praise, now that you have established what it is that makes stephano so good, is to explain how you do that. For example, his tactics have been mentioned. Well post a guide on how to practice that, or how to improve your map awareness. Not just "OMG his map awareness is so good!" Eg. TO improve map awareness, once your macro cycle has been completer (injects, tumours, upgrades etc) always be scanning the map, even the fog. It gets you practiced in being able to macro fast and then be scanning the map for blips like a drop. Just my 2 cents. | ||
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Asarha
France71 Posts
He's the 7th player in term of money made by starcraft 2, and has more than twice the amount of the second foreigner (according to SC2earning he had 161k $ and the second foreigner, huk, "only" 71k) and in 2012 he is the 3rd, just behind MC & DRG. He won a NASL, an ESWC & an IPL. I don't think he's overhyped. Not 'cause I'm french, just 'cause he's the only player Korean seems really fear. The fact is, all the time Stephano's doing a tournament, he's doing it well. According to liquipedia, he's always at least on semi-finals, and that's pretty impressive. Yes, we can say he's not in the TSL4, and he failed the ironsquid, but is there any other foreigner who seems to be that strong ? i don't see anyone. I don't think he's going to the GSL, last time I heard of it, he was saying that it's too less money for the time spend to play, has he changed his mind ? | ||
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
Pay more attention to how units engage (Flanks, angles, concaves, surrounds). Cost efficiency is key So, I'd like to move the discussion towards how players can improve their engagements. If anyone could provide insight into what makes Stephano's engagements so good (especially with replay examples that I can stream some analysis of), it would be very helpful <3 | ||
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
http://www.twitch.tv/tangsc/b/326788538 http://www.twitch.tv/tangsc/b/326791049 | ||
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
On July 28 2012 05:31 Berceno wrote: Stephano is over-hyped, nothing special about him. Let's talk about a real GSL pro instead! naniwa is the only god foreigner, if next season stephano performs well in gsl I will shut up but now, it's not enough for me d.JonnyREcco says hi.  Your hero has fallen to a newcomer.Keep your fanboyism and ridiculous claims to yourself. How can a player be over-hyped who has WON MULTIPLE TITLES? Jesus Christ. | ||
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RageBot
Israel1530 Posts
He's just more talented at this sort of things, nothing else. | ||
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Niteblade_
Canada292 Posts
On July 29 2012 10:13 Asarha wrote: I think the fact is, Niteblade, that Stephano is just always on the top of the scene, and that's why lots of people think he's the best foreigner. He's the 7th player in term of money made by starcraft 2, and has more than twice the amount of the second foreigner (according to SC2earning he had 161k $ and the second foreigner, huk, "only" 71k) and in 2012 he is the 3rd, just behind MC & DRG. He won a NASL, an ESWC & an IPL. I don't think he's overhyped. Not 'cause I'm french, just 'cause he's the only player Korean seems really fear. The fact is, all the time Stephano's doing a tournament, he's doing it well. According to liquipedia, he's always at least on semi-finals, and that's pretty impressive. Yes, we can say he's not in the TSL4, and he failed the ironsquid, but is there any other foreigner who seems to be that strong ? i don't see anyone. I don't think he's going to the GSL, last time I heard of it, he was saying that it's too less money for the time spend to play, has he changed his mind ? I'm not denying him being the best foreigner (at least ahead of most, but there are some that are very close in contention), all i'm saying that for having that title and being talked about by all his fans as this "god" or having perfect play, his results don't match that. I agree he is always at least near the top 10 in tournaments (for the most part anyways). Going by earnings is a horrible way to judge how good a player is (would put lucifron over alot of top koreans, and foreigners which is obviously false. Although i will agree that stephano is much higher than him as a relative number) Im not argueing about stephano being good, just that he is overhyped as his fans get annoying..... look at this thread for example. It has no relevant content.... | ||
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
On July 31 2012 07:43 Niteblade_ wrote: Im not argueing about stephano being good, just that he is overhyped as his fans get annoying..... look at this thread for example. It has no relevant content.... There is relevant content in this thread, and I would prefer to move the discussion towards more strategy/mechanics than general discussion about Stephano's skill level. | ||
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NOOBALOPSE
Canada802 Posts
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
On August 01 2012 10:44 NOOBALOPSE wrote: WOW Tang! I found this very helpful! <33 Glad you found it helpful, if there's anything specific that I should keep doing (or even a few things I can improve on) let me know. | ||
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Garhf
49 Posts
@TangSC I would like to see more in-depth comparison between Stephano and other pro-zergs, preferably something with the same map, doing and vs the same builds. Even if the other zerg wins as well, we can see how he prioritizes his actions and how these decisions affect the game he's playing. How decisive are the victories and what is needed to win these games. | ||
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aLmosTeu
Germany101 Posts
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Kontys
Finland659 Posts
When you watch the greatest players play from their first person view, you watch what and how they do it. The best are fast, amazing, sharp players who do everything just right. They push the whole APM train of action with strength from their hips and shoulders, and they push on it hard. The amount of effort it takes to play this game is incredible and palpable when you watch the efforts of players like IM_Mvp or DRG or NesTea or Naniwa. And they are well practiced, and as good as it is humanly possible to get at it. But among all these hard workers there are three (3) people I believe are different. They slip through all the smash and grab and fury of 300 actions per minute with an almost insufferably light touch. They not only get everything done, but they do it with a palpable ease. Every mouse click, every control group switch, every box and every order.. is perfect. They never go back to correct, they never re-queve or cancel anything. They simply.. float through the motion of playing the game perfectly. As if the whole ordeal was a small borish task of I'll just, then, and, now, and, yeah, there. I picture DRG, a muscular enormous body builder tied to a train and pulling on it, making it move, sweating, cursing and grunting, but making it move. Then I picture each of them.. small skinny nerdy figures picking the train off the tracks and tossing it forwards soaring through the air, as if it weighed nothing at all. The world that they live in has no friction or mass. Their play is a pure stream of bliss. + Show Spoiler + MKP, Stephano and Flash | ||
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Kontys
Finland659 Posts
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DoDonPachi
Canada69 Posts
A lecture of this thread can give some idea on the strategic element of the engagement. | ||
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Bonneyi
Ireland29 Posts
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
On August 02 2012 21:31 DoDonPachi wrote: I'm not an expert at saying what Stephano is good at, except that is engagement are always well done. I think this thread can learn from one of the Featured Post on Teamliquid : "God of the Battlefield: part 1" A lecture of this thread can give some idea on the strategic element of the engagement. Actually yeah that thread is really well done, I don't think I have enough resources to make a thread like it yet. | ||
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