EPT[D] Analysing Stephano, the God of "Foreign" Zerg - Page 4
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RedMosquito
United States280 Posts
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On July 25 2012 23:37 kme wrote: The answer is very simple. He doesn't make mistakes. More precisely, he doesn't make bad decisions. This may seem ridiculous, but just watch his stream. You can't see a fault in anything he does. When you watch other players you can almost always see them making some mistakes or not doing things optimally. Not with Stephano. Most of his losses come from his opponents taking a great risk somehow. I agree completely with the not making bad decisions part. But you definitely don't need to take risks to beat him. Oz wasn't taking risks at MLG last week he just straight up outplayed him. They key to beating Stephano (just like any top player) is to play really, really well and not make mistakes. | ||
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oZe
Sweden492 Posts
Stephano has understood the meaning of his life. It has translated into great skill & coolness in stressfull situations. You will never be able to copy that psychology. By you will never I mean just do it faggot ^^ Accept that you are the greatest thing to ever happen in the universe. Use that confidence to achieve whatever you want to achive. TLDR It's not the build order, the mechanics, the multitasking, the micro or the macro. It's that what's the next step towards perfection mentality. | ||
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Khonsou
Dominican Republic275 Posts
- He tries stuff on ladder (o did for a long time), was one of the few to still use utralisks in all three matchups on ladder. - He said various times that he just "feels" the other races timing. IdrA actually stated the same thing when he saw him play at the EG House. - He always has said that Army control in SC2 is critical. Good example is his comment about Sheth a good player that has "terrible army control" - He has a very good Egg mechanic. He adds the units to the control groups while they are in eggform, always had and it avoids alot of mistakes like overlords rallied in the middle of the map and alot of useless movement like selecting 54654564564 links running across the map. - He puts alot of thinking into the game. He did state recently that while he didn't practice that much, he tought alot about what he sould do. Obviously at his nivel execution isn't neceseraly a problem. - He learns. There is very few things that catch him off gard twice. "Immortal sentry push is not OP, I just have the wrong answer to it" | ||
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dgwow
Canada1024 Posts
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FuGGu
United States176 Posts
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galtdunn
United States977 Posts
On July 25 2012 09:23 Infernal_dream wrote: Overhyped as fuck. He'll fall off the radar like spanishiwa did and every other "good" zerg. SC2 is too much about build orders and not enough about skill. Hence why a person like stephano comes up with a build and is good for a few months then a patch comes out and they never win shit again. Stephano is so much better than spanishiwa will ever be... He also wins with a variety of builds and playstyles. | ||
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Frex
Finland888 Posts
This is how Stephano is so good, whenever he's in tough position on battlefield in SC2 he unconsciously does the right thing because he has been able to great this huge network of SC2 which allows him to make top-notch strategical decisions. | ||
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baselmarkit
14 Posts
that is why he is so good and gosu. | ||
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baselmarkit
14 Posts
omg if he played terran, he would have won a couple gsls already. | ||
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worldpeace30
United States106 Posts
Most Zergs A-move their lings but Stephano goes past the army and swings around even when under heavy fire in order to penetrate the other army really well. that's one thing Warcraft 3 players have, very good Units sense and it just carries over in Stephanos case. | ||
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Zeweig
Sweden189 Posts
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On July 26 2012 02:32 worldpeace30 wrote: From the games I have seen of Stephano he knows how to micro his lings fantastically to get the best value from them instead of just trying to swarm with them like other foreign Zerg professionals. Most Zergs A-move their lings but Stephano goes past the army and swings around even when under heavy fire in order to penetrate the other army really well. that's one thing Warcraft 3 players have, very good Units sense and it just carries over in Stephanos case. There is no bigger lie in this scene than the idea that Wc3 players have great micro. Pretty much all the best micro players in the world are Korean and almost all of them (except Polt) were Brood War players. | ||
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
On July 25 2012 09:23 Infernal_dream wrote: Overhyped as fuck. He'll fall off the radar like spanishiwa did and every other "good" zerg. SC2 is too much about build orders and not enough about skill. Hence why a person like stephano comes up with a build and is good for a few months then a patch comes out and they never win shit again. When did Team Liquid turn into Arena Junkies? | ||
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HellionDrop
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kast_
United States22 Posts
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The_DarkAngelz
Brazil221 Posts
On July 25 2012 05:45 dZn wrote: Its a combination of great scouting, game sense, and best micro at the moment as mentioned above. He does not lose one milli-second (pun intended) when he builds workers, cause he just hits 4 (all hatches) and q (larva and also build drone) – mostly grid layout. So by just putting q down he builds a drone as soon as any larva appears. In combination with his fast mechanics and his game sense he is able to get nearly the maximum units at any given time and makes them worth more with his micro. His easy macro style also frees up “memory” from the brain to focus more on micro. With easy macro style I mean that he doesn’t need to stretch his fingers far away, and always puts his eggs into his groups 1 and 2 while morphing. So he keeps himself always organized. he can be even greedier by doing this, because his defending units will participate in a fight as soon as they hatch. One weakness is his injects. His Inject style is slow compared to other pro zergs. That might be why he is so great with roaches, cause it forgives “sloppy” injecting as long as he drones up perfectly. Even if he gets supply blocked several times it is easy for him to catch up because he will have enough larva to hit his timing against toss! The need for an earlier macro hatch when he plays muta ling could be delayed by organizing his injects in a way that he would only need 1 second for it before focussing on micro again. i think his method today is to hit 3 (all queens) then click on the minimap to go to one of his hatcheries, click minimap, hit x for inject, left click on the center of the main screen to inject hatch. (i think he does not minimap injecting, but navigation to hatches and click on the hatch). thats time inefficient, and pulls away focus. He tabs a lot, so he sees when new larva spawned, and this is his reminder to inject again. one thing i would like to see more pros doing is to tab a single hatch from time to time, to see the progress of the larva timer. combined with faster injecting = gosu!! As far as I know he doesn’t use camera hotkeys. He gets away with it because he clicks fast on the minimap. If he would spend the extra mile to improve on camera hotkeys it might make him even stronger. Sometimes it seems that the only one that can defeat him is Stephano himself. Just to add: He uses a French keyboard layout (stephano usa!!), so he actually hits 4aa to build a drone (AZERTY) (QSDFG) and q is his attack key, just like english keyboard grid with A for attack instead of T and Q for larva / drones. At the moment he gets away with all this "imperfections", because his skills outweight them by far. He has his workarounds. One thing that he gains (and i gain too is the awereness of map...some people used to say i was maphacker...) but the thing is that he takes longer to go a each hatchery so he can see what's going on in mini-map more time and more often, so he can react like a seconds faster... The thing is that i can't do this at high speed but if i could....i'd have the "Stephano" map awereness ! =P ^^ | ||
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Spec
Taiwan931 Posts
edit: also, looks mighty like Tyler Durden in that video. Sexy. | ||
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Dunmer
United Kingdom568 Posts
Also can anybody actually cheese this guy? Sometimes Stephano just knows whats coming to him and defends it. Its incredible. | ||
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worldpeace30
United States106 Posts
On July 26 2012 04:00 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: There is no bigger lie in this scene than the idea that Wc3 players have great micro. Pretty much all the best micro players in the world are Korean and almost all of them (except Polt) were Brood War players. It sounds like you're under the false impression that either Korean pros have 100% and Warcraft 3 pros had 0% micro or the other way around. That's not a very good argument. BroodWar professionals have phenomenal micro but so did Warcraft 3 professionals. Warcraft 3 is 95% micro 5% macro where as Starcraft 2 is a lot less micro and a lot more macro. Broodwar required a lot of micro but we haven't seen the best BroodWar players transition to SC2 yet. | ||
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