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On July 25 2012 06:32 ArcticRaven wrote:I think the most important part of Stephano's play is his positioning and general micro. As much as his macro is (in his own opinion) lacking sometimes, he just does more with less when actually using those units. Especially, on Antiga Shipyard, he quite often has units down each ramp of the central highground to prepare for flanks before the opponent has even moved out yet. I think his first game against Oz at MLG perfectly showcases his talent when he comes down to winning battles in less than favorable situations. Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 05:53 paddyz wrote:
I cant really take this very seriously, he still has a losing record vs MC (who is in the final of GSL) and Alicia got to the finals of both NASL and MLG. . . both players are better then him, don't pretend he is out of their league, capable of "owning" or "dismembering" them at will.
I am not here to stir up all the fanboys, just to warn you to not get too carried away, the guy already has all the hype and credit he deserves, he doesn't need another thread just to over hype him more, imo at least.
Oz even tore him apart, twice, in his best matchup.
Stephano is not the God of zerg, he is no God, just someone over rated and over hyped.
If he gets as far as naniwa in GSL then he might deserve a thread
You for sure do seem quite biased sir ^^ As much as I agree that calling him God might be a little exaggerated, if he beats Alicia 4-0 he definitely is better than him. But well, let's not carry this into a haters vs fanboys thread.
Then let's see him do it consistently. Again, he still has a losing record to MC and Oz just smashed him.
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I think Stephano's a great player, an amazing Zerg. Don't get me wrong. I just think he gets a little too much hype.
Do I think he can stand toe-to-toe with GSL players? Sure. I just don't think he's invincible in the way MC was a year ago or MVP was a while back.
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On July 25 2012 05:53 paddyz wrote:
" 4-1 victory against MC" was it not 4-2?
I cant really take this very seriously, he still has a losing record vs MC (who is in the final of GSL) and Alicia got to the finals of both NASL and MLG. . . both players are better then him, don't pretend he is out of their league, capable of "owning" or "dismembering" them at will.
I am not here to stir up all the fanboys, just to warn you to not get too carried away, the guy already has all the hype and credit he deserves, he doesn't need another thread just to over hype him more, imo at least.
Oz even tore him apart, twice, in his best matchup.
Stephano is not the God of zerg, he is no God, just someone over rated and over hyped.
If he gets as far as naniwa in GSL then he might deserve a thread
Lol att the Naniwa fanboy, what Stephano has achieved is far more than anything Naniwa has done, and he even confirms it on Twitter.
I may do like MC and say: "Stephano has made 3x more money than him, so it requires three naniwas to be able to compete with his level".
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"The GOD of Foreighn Zerg?" ....
.... How about the best foreighner. He's not the god of anything. God is reserved for players like Boxer and Flash. The Zergy's get carried away a little too easily.
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On July 25 2012 05:53 paddyz wrote:
" 4-1 victory against MC" was it not 4-2?
I cant really take this very seriously, he still has a losing record vs MC (who is in the final of GSL) and Alicia got to the finals of both NASL and MLG. . . both players are better then him, don't pretend he is out of their league, capable of "owning" or "dismembering" them at will.
I am not here to stir up all the fanboys, just to warn you to not get too carried away, the guy already has all the hype and credit he deserves, he doesn't need another thread just to over hype him more, imo at least.
Oz even tore him apart, twice, in his best matchup.
Stephano is not the God of zerg, he is no God, just someone over rated and over hyped.
If he gets as far as naniwa in GSL then he might deserve a thread
Knew the haters would come out of the woodwork eventually.  How many events should he win or place top 3 in before he isn't "overhyped" anymore bud? Laughable post.
Enjoyed the thread so far. Others have said it (repeatedly) but I do believe it's the truth: patience and perfect engagements. He only fights in advantageous circumstances. A true master! Just think if he took the game more seriously.
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One thing I've noticed about stephano's zvp is that he seems to always play it the same way. I've never seen him go baneling, muta, ultra...or even hydra for that matter. I'd love to see how he plays vs a 2 stargate opener, or some other build where the "traditional" response incorporates a unit he doesn't often use
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Well, I can tell you what he doesn't do, and that is scouting. A lot of his games seem like he just doesn't care what the Protoss player does.
So either he has an insanely good deduction from the very little things that he does see, or he really just doesn't care apart from gas timings. Which, in conclusion, would mean what he does is good against ANYTHING Protoss can throw at him at time X. Or, as the other members stated, ZvP is a LOT about engagements.
Just think if he took the game more seriously.
He does.
His recent statement has been he will move to Korea and become the best player in the world.
I don't think you can get any more serious than that.
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On July 25 2012 08:06 Lobotomist wrote:
One thing I've noticed about stephano's zvp is that he seems to always play it the same way. I've never seen him go baneling, muta, ultra...or even hydra for that matter. I'd love to see how he plays vs a 2 stargate opener, or some other build where the "traditional" response incorporates a unit he doesn't often use
How many games of him have you actually seen? Because he throws mutas from time to time (like against MC at nasl), drops, ling-infestor. He baneling bust greedy protosses (like sase for example) to keep them honest and i'm pretty sure he played hydras to finish off squirtle at the red bul lan.
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On July 25 2012 07:53 mlspmatt wrote:
"The GOD of Foreighn Zerg?" ....
.... How about the best foreighner. He's not the god of anything. God is reserved for players like Boxer and Flash. The Zergy's get carried away a little too easily.
God is a title reserved for Terran BW players. Got it! ( )
It's obviously a sensationalist title meant to get people to enter the thread. Dun get too bent out of shape about it! Either that, or start complaining about July's nickname to maintain consistency.
On-topic, I'll definitely be keeping an eye on this thread! Always down for some zergy play insight!
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On July 25 2012 08:47 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 08:06 Lobotomist wrote:
One thing I've noticed about stephano's zvp is that he seems to always play it the same way. I've never seen him go baneling, muta, ultra...or even hydra for that matter. I'd love to see how he plays vs a 2 stargate opener, or some other build where the "traditional" response incorporates a unit he doesn't often use How many games of him have you actually seen? Because he throws mutas from time to time (like against MC at nasl), drops, ling-infestor. He baneling bust greedy protosses (like sase for example) to keep them honest and i'm pretty sure he played hydras to finish off squirtle at the red bul lan.
Apparently not enough. I've basically only seen him do roach ling -> infestor -> corruptor -> broodlord. Got any good links?
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its not that he's particularly great, he just never makes any big errors.
simple :D
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Overhyped as fuck. He'll fall off the radar like spanishiwa did and every other "good" zerg. SC2 is too much about build orders and not enough about skill. Hence why a person like stephano comes up with a build and is good for a few months then a patch comes out and they never win shit again.
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On July 25 2012 09:23 Infernal_dream wrote:
Overhyped as fuck. He'll fall off the radar like spanishiwa did and every other "good" zerg. SC2 is too much about build orders and not enough about skill. Hence why a person like stephano comes up with a build and is good for a few months then a patch comes out and they never win shit again.
These are the kinds of uninformed posts that I knew would arise.  Some random TL scrub posting about Stephano lacking skill; meanwhile, your P and T heroes are praising him. Back under your rock now. There you go. Stop trying to derail the thread with useless, malicious, and patently false bullshit. Thanks.
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What a silly topic. He just has a good combination of macro, micro and decision making like any of the top players. Nothing special to it, just skilled in what he does. Nothing unique or fancy about his style just solid all around.
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Knowing those facts you stated in the OP is one thing, properly making use of them and executing it with the needed multitasking is another. If your friend doesn't think that's good enough, I'd like to see him perform such execution in a game and not be at least GM. I can look over my replay and know why I lost easily (or often in game at that moment); it doesn't mean I suddenly have the mechanics and focus to correct them every game.
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An important part of his game is that his builds in every matchup allow him to attack without necessarilly commiting. This is what allows him to adapt to anything he sees; if he can do some damage he does it, if he needs to defend he has the manpower to do it and if it comes down to who macros more he has the army to make sure the opponent doesn't get too greedy.
In a way I'd say he's the least cheesy pro player I know. Everything he does is incredibly safe and good against everything. To me that's why he's doing so well on the ladder, or in tournaments that don't rely on preparation, and he's hesitant to participate to the GSL (well, other than the fact the GSL can be a bitch for the players) that tend to favour more "cheesy" players like MC.
Edit: I won't have the time to watch everything but your videos look very interesting Tang  And your guides are always well done so keep it up!
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Actually Stephano said himself that the weakest part of his play is his macro (injects, spending money, etc.) But what I think makes Stephano Stephano, is his amazing strategies and just knowing what to do. The are so intuitive and make sense even without scouting information. Like if a protoss goes 2 gate, all stephano is going to do is mass roach and kill you. simple yet so effective. Also devising his own strategies gives him an advantage along with that game sense of knowing to attack or not to attack is what makes him so great
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I think it's the mental side of things for Stephano in how he deals with pressure (of any type in the game). Yes he plays safe, has excellent mechanics etc that work for him, however when the unexpected happens...he just reacts appropriately and doesn't get flustered.
There is a book called Mind Gym where one of the points made is that people can peform 15% better or worse under pressure. In Sc2 you are talking about a very slim technical skill difference between top players. So a player who has the mental edge can effectively perform 30% better than an equally "skilled" opponent if that person actually performs worse under pressure.
Think about performing worse: you miss your depots, you forget a probe, you mis rally units, you lose overlords needlessly, you become to eager to engage. Little mistakes that they don't normally make start to crop up. That's a sign of a person not handling the pressure.
I know I can think of atleast one famous Zerg player who is an excellent player but when under pressure actually performs worse than what he would otherwise.
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It really think it's his decision making and the emphasis he places on engagements. Stephano's macro, despite what many fanboys think, really isn't that great and it can really hurt him sometimes, particularly in some ZvTs against top top terran i've seen him play. But his decision making is some of the best in the world. He rarely engages in battles he can't win, doesn't try to defend bases that he can't and just overall has great game sense during the game. I think the key thing is his engagements though. He is always looking for a way to flank or catch the army out of position, or get the best engagement possible against those scary pushes before hive. His macro often slips as a result of this, but it is often okay because he can use the banked up larva for a large amount of reinforcements.
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