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Dobleman
4 Posts
I tried massing roaches and stocking up money but his thors were way more cost effective so I just ran out of money. What am i supposed to do differently? I know my upgrades were a little late but I don't think that would make up for the massive difference in minerals lost. I saw a mass thor counter of mass banelings, but what do I do when they are spread out? PS: I'm plat | ||
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
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Debian
Canada95 Posts
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Zahir
United States947 Posts
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Dobleman
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Captain Marksie
40 Posts
The Thor army is very slow but powerful. Take advantage of his lack of mobility and hit him where his army isn't. This will force him to stay home and split his army to defend his bases. His lack of mobility also means that you can expand like crazy. Expand all over the map, and when you see his army attack one of your expansions just go counter attack one of his bases. Thors are expensive units so if can keep his economy low and keep your own economy high you don't have to be super efficient in straight up trades with his army cos you will be able to rebuild much quicker. As for unit composition, go for high mobility units like roach/ling/bane then when you have got a big economy transition into brood lords. As long as you don't let your broodlords clump to much thors end up being pretty useless against them. Also Neural parasite works great against thors aswell. | ||
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ProfSc
United States51 Posts
What I absolutely hate dealing with, however, is Ultra/Ling/Bling. Mech is slow and importantly, must attack you. With creep spread, it's possible to sit and wait your army in an ambush position (especially since mech works best in a giant ball). Run your lings behind the army to cut off its retreat, run ultras in at the front to tank for the banelings and you will see the mech army basically die. Additionally, since you'll be on 4-5 (or even 6) bases to 3/4 terran bases + the fact that the zerg macro mechanic can build a ton of units almost instantly, you can remax faster on whatever your heart desires while the terran is scrambling to rebuild his army. Importantly, this response works best when your opponent is on 2/2. This also works best against a Thor/Hellion composition. With 2/3, or 3/3, it's different. This is where you need to get infestors to NP and either use them in conjunction with ultras or BLs. If you go for the BLs, try to morph them offensively to harass the production facilities (almost all of the maps in the pool have amazing dead space/cliffs you can abuse). Also, practice splitting BLs if you choose to use them, as Thor splash is pretty good against them... and if they're playing modern mech, it's not hard to get vikings and ravens to PDD corruptors. Hope this helps. | ||
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A2340
Canada106 Posts
-Make Roaches until the late game (i.e. stop making them when you want to start building up a defense for his probably all-in-maxed-out attack). Use Tunneling Claws and Overlord doom drops to set him behind -Get a pretty quick Infestation Pit (when it's finished start hive and the Infestor energy upgrade, and of course NP afterwards), and start Brood Lord production when you're on 4+ bases (and you should be on 4+ bases quickly vs mech) -Overdrone and make tons of Spine Crawlers. They do badly vs mech, but when you have enough of them you can slow his push down significantly to allow your Broods to get into a good defensive position for whatever base he tries to attack Hope that helped | ||
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TibblesEvilCat
United Kingdom766 Posts
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wcr.4fun
Belgium686 Posts
And spread out broodlords with infestors for infested terrans will work best. But you should start out with roaches because else they'll just hit you pre-broodlord timing and kill you. And roaches are really good versus small mech armies. | ||
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SkyOut
Spain6 Posts
Infestor with NP, and well upgraded roaches (with lings or banes if u want to mix those in) should make it. | ||
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Insomni7
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Dobleman
4 Posts
http://drop.sc/224528 followed by http://imgur.com/VVwG2 | ||
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Brolettuce
United States48 Posts
you want to either do a lot of roach pressure asap once u know its mech ( roach dropping, etc ) or rushing straight to broods | ||
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ROOTdrewbie
Canada1392 Posts
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RedMosquito
United States280 Posts
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Douillos
France3195 Posts
On July 21 2012 00:38 ROOTdrewbie wrote: NEURAL PARASITE On July 21 2012 00:46 RedMosquito wrote: roach drops!!!!!!!!! This sums it up pretty well! But yeah you were really late on upgrades so that didnt help at all... | ||
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StatixEx
United Kingdom779 Posts
this is there my mechanics and control let me down. you beat it with mass lings, a few banes and roaches/6blords Im only gold leveler so of course. its essential that you split and target fire each thor with 30+ roaches, you need then hotkey a few banes and take out any repairing scvs, ive noticed in all of my games they always have a few scvs with them, now heres the big thing, i always tech lords so not a problem for me but i make 8 mutalisks and just annoy him . . if he falls for it, hell pull the thors back, you go crazy on ling reinforcements. when he comes back (maybe with another thor) surround! Ive usually got 2/2/2 by this point of the game and i will say sometimes this doesnt work, if hes expanding behind all of this then ive never won using this but the battles go on forever, always 40 minute+ games. My problem of course in low league is control and cost efficient trades, i know i can beat it but an A moving terran army with splash damage is hard. Its soo cool of a feeling when you nail it and overcome it though and these replays go in my feelGood folder | ||
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Severus_
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pallad
Poland1958 Posts
On July 21 2012 00:38 ROOTdrewbie wrote: NEURAL PARASITE + Drops , drops play is very good vs slow mech army. Mass roches + infestors , lings harras to expos , and drops. One big doom drop works fine also  , if terran player gonna lost all of his factory ( and some supply deopot ) or even 60% of them going mech , you win game already. On July 21 2012 01:06 Severus_ wrote: Roaches,banelings and infestors with mind control. Geting roaches,infestors and overlords also work run the ovies first AI gets fucked up then go with your roaches and festors for mind control same tactic with the banes get ling,bane,ovies and infestors. This is so fail.. First off all , terran got hellions mass hellions , they cant attack air , so they gonna kill lings banes anyway.. Thors gonna kill all you ovies... and even if you win that battle , you will by supply block proably. If you make this ovie stragety its like all in ..you win battle its not that bad , but still bad , if you lose , you lose the game | ||
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courtpanda
866 Posts
On July 21 2012 00:53 StatixEx wrote: im having the exact same problem. im there going macro build spotting expansions and denying anymore and then 8 thors come packed up down the field. I can hold 1 push with my 120ish food, 3 bases 60 drones, 4 queens then roaches but then when the next salvo comes im relying on spines to hold my already secured bases. this is there my mechanics and control let me down. you beat it with mass lings, a few banes and roaches/6blords Im only gold leveler so of course. its essential that you split and target fire each thor with 30+ roaches, you need then hotkey a few banes and take out any repairing scvs, ive noticed in all of my games they always have a few scvs with them, now heres the big thing, i always tech lords so not a problem for me but i make 8 mutalisks and just annoy him . . if he falls for it, hell pull the thors back, you go crazy on ling reinforcements. when he comes back (maybe with another thor) surround! Ive usually got 2/2/2 by this point of the game and i will say sometimes this doesnt work, if hes expanding behind all of this then ive never won using this but the battles go on forever, always 40 minute+ games. My problem of course in low league is control and cost efficient trades, i know i can beat it but an A moving terran army with splash damage is hard. Its soo cool of a feeling when you nail it and overcome it though and these replays go in my feelGood folder spines are useless against thors. there are 4 options: 1) trade a lot with roaches/banelings IF he has no tanks and his thor count is low. drops, burrow, catching him as he leaves his base, anything to keep his thor count low. contain him to 2 bases, keep map control. if he tries to fight and you know youre gonna lose, back off and wait for more units and/or backstab 2) roach infestor+neural direct fight. beware of tanks here again, losing infestors to tanks is bad. again, this is about trading and leaving his thor count low. 3) go straight to hive. do not pass go. do not collect 200 dollars. i prefer broodlord/infestor here to ultra crackling. make sure to spread broodlords 4) if hes really tank/hellion heavy, mutas. magic box the few thors he has, take map control, deny the third, etc. 5) if he has no tanks at all: NESTEAAAAA basically, if you don't let him take a third, you'll usually be fine. a good place to fight is right as he's taking his third. when he repositions his army, if you can hit at that exact moment, you should be good. this does take a lot of scouting though | ||
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Nachtwind
Germany1130 Posts
On July 20 2012 02:00 Dobleman wrote: Ok just did another game, I had 3/3 cracklings ultras an infestors with np, but then i lost. Idk if it's the micro or what but it still seems impossible. http://drop.sc/224528 followed by http://imgur.com/VVwG2 i´ll take that game now Okay i will be honest. Your army was lower on resources then his. Terrible engagement. Lings attacking the hellion marine front while ultras sat in the back doing nothing. Also this desperatly move with infestors trying to neural those thors while only two fungal were thrown off from 12(!) nearly full infestors. And all died for nothing. Try to fungal and IT more with neural when you CAN but don´t force it. Then if you saw his army of marine hellion thor medi and saw no tanks why did you not made all those lings into banelings? But then the unforgiving happened your macro slipped away. Don´t try to engage when you don´t have the force to do it. Rally and gather your army. Take expansions. Sacrifice your fourth, third to buy time till you have enough ling bling ultra again and switch those drones to other expos you should have had to that point and time in the game. Also you should consider if you have like over 3k banked mins to throw down extra hatches. | ||
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GleaM
United States207 Posts
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