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I've been a long time fan and supporter of Dima and have endured watching him continuously lose game after game to Protoss players.
Recently however, it appears as though our Ukrainian zerg has flipped the bird to the current roach-centric metagame in exchange for a much more ling and baneling heavy style. A style which seems to be working magnificently thus far.
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After being flat out amazed by his performance today I decided that someone had to bring the build order and it's timings to public attention.
Without further adieu, the build is taken directly from DIMAGA vs NaNiwa game 2 on Ohana LE in the Dreamhack EIZO Open tournament.
Opening build order
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9 Overlord
14 Pool
15 Overlord
16 Hatch
15 Ling
16 Queen
21 Hatch (4:00)
20 Queen
24 Overlord
25 Gas (4:30)
32 Overlord
36 Queen
43 Speed (5:55)
44 Overlord x2
46 Gas (6:30)
62 Evolution Chamber x2 (7:15)
60 Overlord x3
60+ Ling production
Timings after 60 supply
+ Show Spoiler +8:00 +1 Melee/+1 Carapace
8:00 Gas x2
8:10 Lair
8:25 Baneling Nest
8:45 Macro Hatch w/Queen
9:35 Gas x2
10:00 Overlord Drops
10:18 Overlord Speed
10:50 Baneling Speed
10:50 +2 Melee/+2 Carapace
Vod starts 6:13:20
http://www.twitch.tv/dreamhacksc2/b/321860501
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I love the fact that i finally can see his build written, i love ling bane and i've been using this style for a lot vs P. lately i tried stealing dimaga's build after my friend told me he played banerain, and a lot of the timings here are similar or the same as mine. Still, something is missing here, and it's the deviations, the way he reacts to what he scouts. For example, i noticed that when he thinks he is going to be 4 gated or 6 gated, he always makes baneling nest before everything else.
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On June 19 2012 07:28 Asolmanx wrote:
I love the fact that i finally can see his build written, i love ling bane and i've been using this style for a lot vs P. lately i tried stealing dimaga's build after my friend told me he played banerain, and a lot of the timings here are similar or the same as mine. Still, something is missing here, and it's the deviations, the way he reacts to what he scouts. For example, i noticed that when he thinks he is going to be 4 gated or 6 gated, he always makes baneling nest before everything else.
That's actually a good thing to point out
Game 1 vs Fraer displays what Dimaga did to counter the gateway opening -> +1 gateway timing.
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Thank you for posting this! <3 I think this is a great build to keep protoss guessing ^_^
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With this style and Stephano's ling zvz, i might be able to get rid of roaches in all matchups  thanks a lot.
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Ehh i rarely lose to this kind of style in my league. (1100)pt master last season.
But thats because i dont do sentry immortal style. I focus on blink stalker style w colos and few sentry which counters this buold pretty easily if youcan micro well enough.
I can see this countering many toss 2 base builds though that relies on perfect ff.
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"Flying bunker droping spider mines" NonY on baneling drops 
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Thx for posting this Build.
Dimaga is just an insane player, but he was kinda rare the past 2 months. Now he' just blasting my mind with this Metagame
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Thanks.
I feel you need baneling speed much much earlier. +1/+1 won't help you much if your banes get FFed, and with speed it's harder to FF them and they are faster to retreat.
Also, he should use drops more to harrass than to rain on top of the army, as that's even countered by stalker micro, let alone blink (or immortals).
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On June 19 2012 08:16 Nihonjin wrote:
Ehh i rarely lose to this kind of style in my league. (1100)pt master last season.
But thats because i dont do sentry immortal style. I focus on blink stalker style w colos and few sentry which counters this buold pretty easily if youcan micro well enough.
I can see this countering many toss 2 base builds though that relies on perfect ff.
I can't see how your imput helps this thread at all, nor i don't see why people should care that you never loose to this style. You actually say that you play a stalker colossus composition, but give no good reason to why this style isn't good against it. Also, it is not well developed style into the current metagame and i don't think you played against a lot of players who did this dimaga style following his build. I actually think that with good fungals even a stalker colossus sentry style can fall easly to ling baneling, i don't know, if you explained better the micro well part maybe... i guess you pull back colossi and try to blink? maybe post replays?
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On June 19 2012 08:16 Nihonjin wrote:
Ehh i rarely lose to this kind of style in my league. (1100)pt master last season.
But thats because i dont do sentry immortal style. I focus on blink stalker style w colos and few sentry which counters this buold pretty easily if youcan micro well enough.
I can see this countering many toss 2 base builds though that relies on perfect ff.
You don't have to go baneling drops though. You can just go infestors after lair tech if your overseer doesn't scout mass sentries, and you'd already have 1/1 upgrades.
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On June 19 2012 08:57 Mahtasooma wrote:
Thanks.
I feel you need baneling speed much much earlier. +1/+1 won't help you much if your banes get FFed, and with speed it's harder to FF them and they are faster to retreat.
Also, he should use drops more to harrass than to rain on top of the army, as that's even countered by stalker micro, let alone blink (or immortals).
Obviously flanks are essential bro ^^ This isn't an a-move army for free dia ^^. But with good unit control its an army for free master ^^
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Dimaga is really wracking havoc in current meta-game.
Awesome style, very powerful.
Good thing i play sky toss, wouldn't want to meet this in PvZ with ground army.
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Now what i'll love to see is a viable end game with ultra ( i hate broodloards, not for their efficiency but for their feeling so "unzergy", which means slow as hell ).
It has to be viable, multi drop, a moving army who fungal, drop banelings and break FF, even some nydus in the very late game and i would again fall in love with my favourite race.
Yeah i know i ask for a lot. ^^
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On June 19 2012 14:47 Rimak wrote:
Dimaga is really wracking havoc in current meta-game.
Awesome style, very powerful.
Good thing i play sky toss, wouldn't want to meet this in PvZ with ground army.
Well, the thing is, you should be much MUCH more afraid to meet this style with an air army.
Lings and banes don't lift up well with Phoenixes and Voids don't even charge up on them. He'll be busting your bases in an instant if he sees you going air while he spores up his bases. GG. So just because Zerg doesn't have stuff that can shoot up doesn't mean he will be sitting in his base. It's just irrelevant if Zerg has 100 lings and 50 Speedbanes at 10:30 if Protoss has some funky looking units (50% of which can't even shoot down).
Personally, I just ignore the toss if he's going air unitwise (meaning I don't produce units that can actually shoot up) and just roll him with whatever ground stuff I happen to be having.
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On June 19 2012 21:34 Mahtasooma wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 14:47 Rimak wrote:
Dimaga is really wracking havoc in current meta-game.
Awesome style, very powerful.
Good thing i play sky toss, wouldn't want to meet this in PvZ with ground army. Well, the thing is, you should be much MUCH more afraid to meet this style with an air army. Lings and banes don't lift up well with Phoenixes and Voids don't even charge up on them. He'll be busting your bases in an instant if he sees you going air while he spores up his bases. GG. So just because Zerg doesn't have stuff that can shoot up doesn't mean he will be sitting in his base. It's just irrelevant if Zerg has 100 lings and 50 Speedbanes at 10:30 if Protoss has some funky looking units (50% of which can't even shoot down). Personally, I just ignore the toss if he's going air unitwise (meaning I don't produce units that can actually shoot up) and just roll him with whatever ground stuff I happen to be having.
Not really agree.
I don't really want to argue it in this thread, cuz obv it's another strat.
But you should check out this topic for more details, there is even a replay of toss playing vs ling-bane style.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333403
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On June 19 2012 22:07 Rimak wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 21:34 Mahtasooma wrote:On June 19 2012 14:47 Rimak wrote:
Dimaga is really wracking havoc in current meta-game.
Awesome style, very powerful.
Good thing i play sky toss, wouldn't want to meet this in PvZ with ground army. Well, the thing is, you should be much MUCH more afraid to meet this style with an air army. Lings and banes don't lift up well with Phoenixes and Voids don't even charge up on them. He'll be busting your bases in an instant if he sees you going air while he spores up his bases. GG. So just because Zerg doesn't have stuff that can shoot up doesn't mean he will be sitting in his base. It's just irrelevant if Zerg has 100 lings and 50 Speedbanes at 10:30 if Protoss has some funky looking units (50% of which can't even shoot down). Personally, I just ignore the toss if he's going air unitwise (meaning I don't produce units that can actually shoot up) and just roll him with whatever ground stuff I happen to be having. Not really agree. I don't really want to argue it in this thread, cuz obv it's another strat. But you should check out this topic for more details, there is even a replay of toss playing vs ling-bane style. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333403
why wouldn't you argue in this thread? this is about ling bane style.
You obviously have to hit him hard seeing him go air before he has 10 voids and a mothership, should have made that clearer I guess. Upgraded Ling Speedbane hits at about 10:30 to 11:30 with above mentioned numbers, no amount of cannons or voids can save your base from that at that time.
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Nice build writeup, though i noticed naniwa just randomly attacked with a stalker/collosus army as if dimaga was playing for quick broods; i wonder if naniwa had just stayed at home and macro'd to mommaship/archon how the game would have gone.
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Man this style is sick, I need to learn the micro-mechanics though. I tend to botch the overlord drops in big engagements and not do as much damage with the banelings as I could. Any suggestions/tips?
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MorroW was doing something similar to this a while back with a later hatchery and earlier upgrades. It was very strong there and a lot of Protoss players struggled with it for quite some time. There's some variations in DIMAGA's strategy that I feel make it a lot stronger (especially in terms of how he reacted to scouting information), but the build isn't something that pro players haven't seen before: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Ling/Bane_(vs._Protoss).
This build is a lot of fun on the ladder. Every so often you run in to that one guy who happens to be going for archon/zealot 2 base timings and, if you aren't prepared like me, you get destroyed by the subsequent stalker warp-ins. But very few people do that :-D
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