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Ninjury_J
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada408 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-19 20:11:27
March 19 2013 20:10 GMT
#2881
Also, everyone should know those images are out dated. I think we will have knew ones for the full release.
“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting."- Sun Tzu
JDub
Profile Joined December 2010
United States976 Posts
March 19 2013 20:15 GMT
#2882
On March 20 2013 05:00 Pelirrojo wrote:
In RRM version 0.6.2, all set camera hotkeys have been changed to "control+alt+key" instead of just alt+key. I assume this must be a bug.

Also, "center on selection" has been changed to control+alt.

Which language for RRM 0.6.2 are you referring to? For non-US keyboards that have an AltGr key on the right side of the keyboard instead of an Alt key, that key functions like Control+Alt instead of just Alt.
JDub
Profile Joined December 2010
United States976 Posts
March 19 2013 20:25 GMT
#2883
On March 20 2013 05:10 Ninjury_J wrote:
JDub, what do you think of upgrades on the mouse buttons (specifically for ZXXM vs ZXX)?

I'm not sure what you mean -- do you mean control groups for your evo chambers, or do you mean having +1/+1 research ability keys on the mouse buttons?

If the first, I don't think we should move control groups to the mouse buttons for ZXX. If the second, I'm not sure what you gain by doing that since the upgrade keys are already easy to press.
Ninjury_J
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada408 Posts
March 19 2013 20:40 GMT
#2884
I mean the first. My question could have been simpler: what do you think is more efficient, ZXXM or ZXX? I know Jak and I and everyone else always say "personal preference" because we have no data, but clearly there is a correct response. I'm wondering what you think.

I think it's best to first think in terms of Zerg because its less important than the other two races. If the answer is "no mouse" for Zerg, then it ought to be no mouse for the other two as well. If the answer is yes, it still might be no for T and P. I'd like to do some research on it and come to a conclusion but I'm not sure how. What are your thoughts?
“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting."- Sun Tzu
JDub
Profile Joined December 2010
United States976 Posts
March 19 2013 20:50 GMT
#2885
Ah I understand now. I don't agree that there necessarily has to be a "correct response". Personally I really don't like using my side mouse buttons while trying to do precise mouse movements at the same time, so I have chosen to play TheCore without mouse button control groups. So I think it probably depends on how people grip their mice and how comfortable they are pressing the side mouse buttons.
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
March 19 2013 21:04 GMT
#2886
On March 20 2013 05:10 Ninjury_J wrote:
Also, everyone should know those images are out dated. I think we will have knew ones for the full release.




Uhhh... what? So you're making 48 new visual Aides?!!?!

What is outdated about the ones we have now?
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Ninjury_J
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada408 Posts
March 19 2013 21:17 GMT
#2887
No, 16. Just medium. They should not be hard to modify as they are small changes. I'm not even positive there are many if any, but it does still say 0.5. When we are done with changes and discussion, ill look over them to double check myself .
“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting."- Sun Tzu
InfCereal
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1759 Posts
March 19 2013 21:31 GMT
#2888
On March 19 2013 10:59 Ninjury_J wrote:
The f keys aren't prevalent, I guess you can use T, F and V instead. Why don't you want to use f keys?

Feng, I guess we will have to continue to disagree. The twist isn't fun, but it is fine. I don't find it painful.



My keyboard doesn't have f keys. It uses a modifier button in addition to the numbers on the top row. Also the modifier is on the right side of the keyboard, and while I'm capable of hitting it with my thumb, it's not exactly ideal.
Cereal
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
March 19 2013 22:01 GMT
#2889
@InfCereal
The only necessary key on the F keys is Cancel. Just rebind that and you're good to go :D
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EvilSource
Profile Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10 Posts
March 19 2013 22:46 GMT
#2890
On March 20 2013 05:00 Pelirrojo wrote:
In RRM version 0.6.2, all set camera hotkeys have been changed to "control+alt+key" instead of just alt+key. I assume this must be a bug.

Also, "center on selection" has been changed to control+alt.


Right Alt (Alt Gr) is Ctrl + Alt
Pelirrojo
Profile Joined April 2010
United States98 Posts
March 19 2013 23:21 GMT
#2891
On March 20 2013 05:15 JDub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 05:00 Pelirrojo wrote:
In RRM version 0.6.2, all set camera hotkeys have been changed to "control+alt+key" instead of just alt+key. I assume this must be a bug.

Also, "center on selection" has been changed to control+alt.

Which language for RRM 0.6.2 are you referring to? For non-US keyboards that have an AltGr key on the right side of the keyboard instead of an Alt key, that key functions like Control+Alt instead of just Alt.


Ahhhhhhh fml, you're right, I must have downloaded the wrong version by accident.
gronnelg
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway354 Posts
March 20 2013 14:15 GMT
#2892
So, I'm curious. Has anybody high master GM had a go at this?
How did it work out for you?
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JDub
Profile Joined December 2010
United States976 Posts
March 20 2013 14:21 GMT
#2893
On March 20 2013 23:15 gronnelg wrote:
So, I'm curious. Has anybody high master GM had a go at this?
How did it work out for you?

iSanddbox is the highest level player who uses TheCore at the moment, echoic is probably the second highest level player (at least that I know of). Their feedback is near the bottom of the OP.

I'm mid-masters and it has worked out great for me. It was a really really tough learning process for the first week or so, but after that adjusting to it was a lot of fun and now I'm much better at a lot of things (saved cameras, injects, hotkeying my eggs, more control groups, etc.)
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-20 14:38:52
March 20 2013 14:38 GMT
#2894
Okay, so we got some crazy stuff coming down the pipeline to 1.0. FoxyMayhem, Ninjury, and I spent a while talking about it and we're really excited about the changes we'll be making, and when we get the specifics figured out, we're going to update the document accordingly. For now here are the changes:

There will be no more Mouse or non-mouse version. We'll keep the old ones in a special folder on the github, but we have found a way to bring both versions together into 1 file and will be using that from 1.0 onward.

We will be including Previous Subgroup and both Rotate Camera functions (at least for righty) as a part of this change.

Next and Previous Subgroup are now on the side mouse buttons!!!

2 Control groups can be either on the keyboard or on the mouse (we're using alternates so the file has both).

/ for righty and Z for lefty are now an ability key! This means that you don't have to reach as far on the ability side anymore

What I need to know from all of you now is this:

Poll: What size layout of TheCore do you use?

Medium (132)
 
80%

Small (22)
 
13%

Large (12)
 
7%

166 total votes

Your vote: What size layout of TheCore do you use?

(Vote): Small
(Vote): Medium
(Vote): Large



Also posting to the OP so we can get results faster.

Thank you everyone, this shit is going to be insane
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Nah
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland50 Posts
March 20 2013 14:42 GMT
#2895
It seems that for TheCore PRM 0.6.2 ability "Load" for Warp Prism has not been set appropriately. It's on 'D'. I'd suggest apostrophe.
Protoss wins it all
Ninjury_J
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada408 Posts
March 20 2013 14:45 GMT
#2896
I might be wrong, but i think "load" is a throwaway key for all layouts since you can just click, can't you?
“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting."- Sun Tzu
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
March 20 2013 14:50 GMT
#2897
Yes, load is intentionally set to the opposite side of the keyboard because it is not efficient or necessary.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
Fritti
Profile Joined July 2010
Netherlands52 Posts
March 20 2013 15:06 GMT
#2898
What key is going to be "next subgroup" if / is an ability now? Curious to see how you intend to deal with Terran macro here. Can't wait!
CursedFeanor
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada539 Posts
March 20 2013 15:34 GMT
#2899
Well I just found out about the Core this morning and I'm interested to invest some time to adapt to this new layout. I have a question though :

Should I wait for version 1.0 before taking the jump or should I start with 0.6.2 now and switch when 1.0 is out?

Basically, will the changes in v.1.0 be enough to mess up the learning curve of the current version? And how long until v.1.0? days, weeks or months? thanks!
ProbeEtPylon
Profile Joined October 2010
168 Posts
March 20 2013 15:48 GMT
#2900
On March 21 2013 00:34 CursedFeanor wrote:
Well I just found out about the Core this morning and I'm interested to invest some time to adapt to this new layout. I have a question though :

Should I wait for version 1.0 before taking the jump or should I start with 0.6.2 now and switch when 1.0 is out?

Basically, will the changes in v.1.0 be enough to mess up the learning curve of the current version? And how long until v.1.0? days, weeks or months? thanks!


Same question here, help please
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