EPTOn May 12 2012 22:12 Natespank wrote:
CC first rather than rax first, only difference I could find. Dang...
CC first rather than rax first, only difference I could find. Dang...
CC first ought to be instant death against any race really?
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TheExodus
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Natespank
Canada449 Posts
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LSF
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Now I've wondered about one thing: I feel that one slight weakness of this build that you let the enemy do whatever he pleases for 10 minutes. So I've thought about adding a reaper or two once you get the techlab just to create at least some distraction for you opponent. What do you people think, good or bad idea in general? | ||
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TheExodus
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LSF
469 Posts
On May 13 2012 02:04 TheExodus wrote: You have to understand, this is for practicing macro, not for winning every game. If you feel your macro is good enough to handle reaper harass without missing workers, buildings or army that's of course awesome. Yeah I know. It just gets a bit boring sometimes sitting there for 10 minutes doing the exact same things over and over again. Maybe I'll just give it a try and check if I still hit the macro benchmarks anyway. | ||
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Captain Marksie
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On May 12 2012 23:10 Natespank wrote: actually 63 scvs shouldn't be possible at 10 mins If my math is correct: You start with 6 SCVs and a CC CC to OC takes 35 seconds. So this means from your original CC you have 9:25 of production time which is 565 seconds. An SCV takes 17 seconds to build. 565/17=33.2 So that means at 10:00 you will have produced 33 SCVs from your original CC. 15 CC can't really be any earlier than 2:20. It takes 100 seconds to build + 35 to make it an OC which means you can start SCVs at 4:35. 10:00-4:35=5:25 of SCV production time which is 325 seconds. So 325/17=19.1 so the second CC will have produced 19 SCVs by 10:00 33+19+6=58 SCVs Which is 5 off 63 which is 2.5 per command centre which is 42.5 seconds of poduction time. So 63 SCVs should only be possible at 10:42 unless A) My maths is wrong B) He got another CC at some point (wasnt really paying attention when i watched the replay so might have missed if he did or if he even had 63 SCVs at 10:00) | ||
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LSF
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On May 12 2012 23:10 Natespank wrote: actually 63 scvs shouldn't be possible at 10 mins I think filter was joking... | ||
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TheExodus
293 Posts
On May 13 2012 02:11 LSF wrote: Yeah I know. It just gets a bit boring sometimes sitting there for 10 minutes doing the exact same things over and over again. Maybe I'll just give it a try and check if I still hit the macro benchmarks anyway. Definitely do that. If you miss the benchmarks keep practicing with that micro thrown in until you can make them consistently again. That's the great thing about benchmarks; you know what you should have, so if you add something new to your gameplay and miss them you'll know, and also when you're back on track. | ||
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TheExodus
293 Posts
On May 13 2012 02:43 Captain Marksie wrote: If my math is correct: You start with 6 SCVs and a CC CC to OC takes 35 seconds. So this means from your original CC you have 9:25 of production time which is 565 seconds. An SCV takes 17 seconds to build. 565/17=33.2 So that means at 10:00 you will have produced 33 SCVs from your original CC. 15 CC can't really be any earlier than 2:20. It takes 100 seconds to build + 35 to make it an OC which means you can start SCVs at 4:35. 10:00-4:35=5:25 of SCV production time which is 325 seconds. So 325/17=19.1 so the second CC will have produced 19 SCVs by 10:00 33+19+6=58 SCVs Which is 5 off 63 which is 2.5 per command centre which is 42.5 seconds of poduction time. So 63 SCVs should only be possible at 10:42 unless A) My maths is wrong B) He got another CC at some point (wasnt really paying attention when i watched the replay so might have missed if he did or if he even had 63 SCVs at 10:00) Is it possible for a protoss ally to chrono your CC?  | ||
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Shmu
Canada27 Posts
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Boiler Bandsman
United States391 Posts
On May 12 2012 23:06 TheExodus wrote: CC first ought to be instant death against any race really? Number 1: It's Flash. Number 2: Not really. CC-first works against Nexus-first, Forge-first, some 1gate FEs, Hatch-first(I think), CC-first(obviously), etc. It's greedy, but if they're being greedy too it works fine. Now, against a 2rax or whatever....yeah. | ||
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TheExodus
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On May 13 2012 07:37 Boiler Bandsman wrote: Number 1: It's Flash. Number 2: Not really. CC-first works against Nexus-first, Forge-first, some 1gate FEs, Hatch-first(I think), CC-first(obviously), etc. It's greedy, but if they're being greedy too it works fine. Now, against a 2rax or whatever....yeah. But a CC first must mean that either the CC is planted before scouting or that if you change your mind and need rax they'll be very delayed, right? I've never played terran in my life, but I'm thinking it has to be like that. So when doing it you have to be sure you know your opponent well enough to know he's very likely to go nexus first? So I guess it's only used against Axslav  | ||
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Boiler Bandsman
United States391 Posts
On May 13 2012 07:42 TheExodus wrote: But a CC first must mean that either the CC is planted before scouting or that if you change your mind and need rax they'll be very delayed, right? I've never played terran in my life, but I'm thinking it has to be like that. So when doing it you have to be sure you know your opponent well enough to know he's very likely to go nexus first? So I guess it's only used against Axslav It's a gamble, yes. But it's not insta-death automatically, only against certain builds. Not something that would fly on ladder with its high cheese coefficient, but among pros it's a viable macro opening. It trounces 1rax fe, for one thing. EDIT: And....it's Flash. LOL | ||
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ShadowDrgn
United States2497 Posts
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BadgKat
United States156 Posts
I tried to hit your bench marks. I put down my cc at about 3:30 each match (not sure why so much faster, I should probably look into it). I hit 47-49 scvs every match. I microed as little as possible and focused only on making stuff. I've only lost 3 times. 2 times against a Terran who made tanks, and because of my forswearing of micro I lost. The other was a toss who got a colossus up and as able to FF me at his nat in a bad position. I was just promoted to gold on my eleventh game. I've beaten 1 plat player so far. So I can say with out a doubt your guide for bronze works up to gold level. Well done. The bench marks thing is very elegant. I think this has improved my play dramatically already. | ||
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Pzar
New Zealand46 Posts
Lost a game (well, I say lost, but really, I'm playing a different game, and I won that one =P), and watching the replay, I noticed something (I left it running while eating just now)... It took me 10 Blizzard minutes of derping unupgraded marines into siege lines and planetary fortresses for him to match my supply. AND I messed up on the spending part, and was floating 2k+ minerals the whole time (yesyes, I know I have to fix that, but I think tha's mostly later videos, and it's part of what I want to work on before moving up videos anyway) | ||
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Tulx
Estonia11 Posts
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Forcewater
United Kingdom206 Posts
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Germany92 Posts
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-Aura-
United States209 Posts
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