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andrewf87
Australia22 Posts
Pretty happy about that. Thanks Filter | ||
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YolBolsun
United States7 Posts
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BreakfastTea
United States184 Posts
Basically, I'm saying a big thank you for your extremely helpful guide, and wanted to let you know how dramatically my mechanics have improved in so short a time. I have to tackle scouting/map control next, and then I'm going to try to work through the Platinum benchmarks. Thanks again! edit: I just noticed that you have videos on your Youtube channel which don't appear in your OP. Might you add them to the OP? | ||
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YolBolsun
United States7 Posts
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Delow
United States3 Posts
The second is against gold (ive only been practicing your silver, and some gold) so im working on making sure im spending my minerals, this one I figured once I held him to just 2 bases there wasnt much he could do... so I slowed on my macro and im workin on that! http://drop.sc/173617 http://drop.sc/173614 | ||
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Kingy604
United Kingdom54 Posts
The idea to give an simple build with measurable benchmarks to test yourself against was incredible, and i wonder why it hasn't been done before (or if it has why it hasn't been publicised more) Excellent guide, thanks | ||
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zyce
United States649 Posts
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Undermin3d
5 Posts
production constant which had improved my gameplay dramatically. I really hope to see you make one of these for protoss very soon or if someone could link me to an existing guide with this kind of detail (goals, benchmarks, building groups and such). | ||
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ChickaChuckWally
Australia85 Posts
So yeah, you deserve a lot of praise for this series and I cannot wait for your follow-up videos! I'll be sure to check out how to reactor helion opening compares in terms of army supply, worker count and upgrades. | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
On May 05 2012 23:16 Kisagen wrote: does not work on eu bronze. people just build banelings only against it or tanks. an You just get melted doesn't matter if you have 30 more scv's doesn't matter that you have a bigger more expensive army. Your army just melts. Funny thing is I know what you mean but I can tell you that it works anyway I had the exact problem myself. Zergs in bronze do 2 things: zerglings and banelings. Your army on a collission course -> you get melted away when A-moving and then you lose. I did two things to that problem (since I don't micro at all, just A-move). 1. Trust in Filters benchmarks. That is when you hit some of the benchmarks, say half way, trust that you are indeed ahead of your opponent. This means that you have nothing to fear in terms of army supply vs your opponent. 2. Choose maps where you can protect your expo easily/walling in with bunkers and depots (I have downvoted Metalopolis and Cloud Kingdom). Why? Because eu bronze zergs A-moves banelings into the depo/bunker line-> inefficient army trading. They lose alot of army supply and overall supply moving into your depot/bunker line and the remaining banelings can be A-moved into with stim easily (tried this several times). Filter has replay packs on drop.sc which you can download. I have looked at several of the TvZ ones and I see zergs A-moving banelings into his depot/bunker line and filter just /shrug and then A-moves to crush the key being that low leauge players ineffeciently A-moves the zerglings and banelings into depots/bunkers and then have too small army to handle the rest. | ||
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Blackknight232
United States169 Posts
i need to know how to get max at a earlier time than 17 mins cause i'm trying to get max at 14 mins and it's really hard to do. | ||
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invisible.terran
United States280 Posts
I've just finished my 5 placement matches with your bronze strat and got placed straight in Diamond league so I just want to brag about it  | ||
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ShadowDrgn
United States2497 Posts
On May 07 2012 16:29 Blackknight232 wrote: http://drop.sc/174288 i need to know how to get max at a earlier time than 17 mins cause i'm trying to get max at 14 mins and it's really hard to do. I'll nitpick things since we already have a broad strategy to use. 1) Don't put your scouting scv on a watchtower. Protoss is going to send a stalker out and kill it 99% of the time. Send it back to base or, better yet, hide behind his natural mineral line to check for him expanding. 2) You're supposed to add 2 rax, not just 1 before gas. You're flat out dead against a 4gate in this game, and you never scouted him expo. 3) Don't scan protoss, especially on maps with large bases. Scan for an expo if you have to, but if he's doing something cheesy/aggressive, you'll never see it with a scan. 4) 78 supply at 10:00 is the result of only adding 1 rax before gas and late add-ons. Your army should be 10-20 supply larger at this point. Great scv production though. Ebay was also late and you probably would have straight up lost to DTs. Your small army delays your attack to the point where he has extended thermal lance by the time you get to his base. 5) Watch filter's new video on Daybreak. Running up the ramp into his natural without breaking the rocks is suicide, and he has an obs watching you the entire time. 6) Transfer a lot more scvs to your 3rd. Send a full page of 24. 7) You're only going to max at 14 minutes making nothing but marines. Tech, upgrades, and more expensive units will delay your max, but 15 minutes is still reasonable. | ||
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lukasdesign
Switzerland93 Posts
As stated earlier I started with a fresh account (Gold terran on my standard account). I am playing on Eu and if compare the level of opponents which Filter faces and the one I face here it really shows the differnece among those 2 servers. I am high gold now, playing mostly other gold players. I meet the 10 minute benchmark constantly and i became better in adding the third, additional upgrades and production. I normally max out at 14.30 on 3 bases with MMM. I doubt i would win many games without adding the third (as shown by Filter). Of course occasionally my 10 minute 102 food count push just kills the opponents army, but it's rare. And this is a macro build, so killing and opponent, if if seriously damaged, might take time. if you can't keep the pressure up, because you forget to add extra bases and production you can still die... I guess people on EU server should watch the videos and downgrade them by one level. So PLAT becomes GOLD, probably the DIAMOND videos will correspond more with EU Plat level... I will check that out as soon as I am promoted to PLAT (target that for the weekend). This is no critics AT ALL on OP's work, it's just something to consider as it might lead to demotivation for some! PS.: Dear Filter, did you arleady find some time to post your Paltinum/diamond repalys somewhere? I would love to see them!!!! | ||
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IBringUFire
Germany103 Posts
On May 07 2012 22:01 lukasdesign wrote: So I am in gold now... As stated earlier I started with a fresh account (Gold terran on my standard account). I am playing on Eu and if compare the level of opponents which Filter faces and the one I face here it really shows the differnece among those 2 servers. I am high gold now, playing mostly other gold players. I meet the 10 minute benchmark constantly and i became better in adding the third, additional upgrades and production. I normally max out at 14.30 on 3 bases with MMM. I doubt i would win many games without adding the third (as shown by Filter). Of course occasionally my 10 minute 102 food count push just kills the opponents army, but it's rare. And this is a macro build, so killing and opponent, if if seriously damaged, might take time. if you can't keep the pressure up, because you forget to add extra bases and production you can still die... I guess people on EU server should watch the videos and downgrade them by one level. So PLAT becomes GOLD, probably the DIAMOND videos will correspond more with EU Plat level... I will check that out as soon as I am promoted to PLAT (target that for the weekend). This is no critics AT ALL on OP's work, it's just something to consider as it might lead to demotivation for some! PS.: Dear Filter, did you arleady find some time to post your Paltinum/diamond repalys somewhere? I would love to see them!!!! Just wanted to say, I do play in EU Plat, and I only ever do the Plat-benchmarks, and it works absolutely fine. I have gone from something around 30ish Plat to top 15, with only like 14 wins in the whole season. My record after practising to hit the benchmarks consistently is around 14-3 wins to losses. I haven't even started adding Ghosts or other advanced units, I play pure MMM against all races. If the first push doesn't kill them, most of the time your second push from three bases will. My losses so far: 1. Against a Protoss who did an 8-minute push with Immortals, Stalkers, Sentries, Zealots. Second time I encountered that I won. 2. Against a Terran who went mass marine / tank, where I engaged in a stupid position and lost half of my army to his tanks. 3. Against a Zerg who outmacro'd me, built up his Muta-flock while defending my pushes. All of those were Plat, and I think I could have won all three of them with better micro on my side. That said, keep playing and you will see results. | ||
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gronnelg
Norway354 Posts
It's on of the parts of the game that takes the longest to improve. Also, it's a very gradual improvement (as opposesd to e.g. learning a new build, were the change is instantanous). So you won't really notice it, until you start meeting higher ranked oponents (and still getting owend, because the bar has been hightened). But it DOES help. And mechanics IS what will help you out of the lower leagues. | ||
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serum321
United States606 Posts
On May 07 2012 22:01 lukasdesign wrote: So I am in gold now... As stated earlier I started with a fresh account (Gold terran on my standard account). I am playing on Eu and if compare the level of opponents which Filter faces and the one I face here it really shows the differnece among those 2 servers. I am high gold now, playing mostly other gold players. I meet the 10 minute benchmark constantly and i became better in adding the third, additional upgrades and production. I normally max out at 14.30 on 3 bases with MMM. I doubt i would win many games without adding the third (as shown by Filter). Of course occasionally my 10 minute 102 food count push just kills the opponents army, but it's rare. And this is a macro build, so killing and opponent, if if seriously damaged, might take time. if you can't keep the pressure up, because you forget to add extra bases and production you can still die... I guess people on EU server should watch the videos and downgrade them by one level. So PLAT becomes GOLD, probably the DIAMOND videos will correspond more with EU Plat level... I will check that out as soon as I am promoted to PLAT (target that for the weekend). This is no critics AT ALL on OP's work, it's just something to consider as it might lead to demotivation for some! PS.: Dear Filter, did you arleady find some time to post your Paltinum/diamond repalys somewhere? I would love to see them!!!! I think people always feel that way when watching masters play bronze-platinum. I'm gold NA and I too get the same feeling when watching tutorials whether it is dapollo or filtersc like wow, I wish the people I played were that bad. Rank means very little, there are so many ways for someone to obtain a higher rank. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
I watched just bronze & silver videos and I reached top plat on eu! Just been promoted, but I knew it was coming when I was slightly favored against plat opponents as a gold leaguer. I will watch the next videos. However I don't often reach the benchmarks, because I use the shown build only against protoss and they often attack early. Then I find A moving is not really efficient as a terran because of banelings zealots colossi., tanks So I have to spare my 55 apm between macro and army positionning. What really helped me is thinking about the next step and let the income dictate the build order. Of course I do huge mistakes where I can't get constant production immediatly after the building pops out. Then I often get supply blocked when there is big army trade and I think oh 102/153 I don't have to care about supply for a while and I check less often leading to crap loses. There are also those 100+ SCVs who cost me games versus turtling protoss players. So I think you reach your goal as I macro better not because I know more about what to do (I knew about supply depots & scv production&army production) but because I just feel the game better, I know where I want to go. I hope next videos will be as good. I don't have the time to watch now. | ||
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Captain Marksie
40 Posts
On May 07 2012 22:01 lukasdesign wrote: So I am in gold now... As stated earlier I started with a fresh account (Gold terran on my standard account). I am playing on Eu and if compare the level of opponents which Filter faces and the one I face here it really shows the differnece among those 2 servers. I am high gold now, playing mostly other gold players. I meet the 10 minute benchmark constantly and i became better in adding the third, additional upgrades and production. I normally max out at 14.30 on 3 bases with MMM. I doubt i would win many games without adding the third (as shown by Filter). Of course occasionally my 10 minute 102 food count push just kills the opponents army, but it's rare. And this is a macro build, so killing and opponent, if if seriously damaged, might take time. if you can't keep the pressure up, because you forget to add extra bases and production you can still die... I guess people on EU server should watch the videos and downgrade them by one level. So PLAT becomes GOLD, probably the DIAMOND videos will correspond more with EU Plat level... I will check that out as soon as I am promoted to PLAT (target that for the weekend). This is no critics AT ALL on OP's work, it's just something to consider as it might lead to demotivation for some! PS.: Dear Filter, did you arleady find some time to post your Paltinum/diamond repalys somewhere? I would love to see them!!!! Isn't point to be able to play better than others in the same league as you? Whats the point in following the guide for the league below if its puts you on even footing or less with the oppenent? Also im pretty sure that Filters MMR was much higher than the league he was in (since he would have won pretty much all of his games) so he would have been playing others with high MMR, so even though they may have been gold league or whatever they would have had the skill of players in higher leagues. Also he doesn't focus on teaching micro so for up and coming players who have little micro skills will need to have better macro than the opponent. Since were already in gold league on your other account you probably have decent micro skills so would be able to get away with the lower level builds and compensate with micro, where as for people who just want to work on macro and A-move will need to be hitting the benchmarks for their league. To be honest i dont think people should even consider the league that they are in. Just start at the bottom and work your way up and see if you can hit the benchmarks. When you get a video where you struggle to hit the benchmarks that is the video you should be working on. | ||
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merlin101
Switzerland194 Posts
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