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On March 14 2012 10:37 vaderseven wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 07:56 Mikkerthebhu wrote:
Br3ezy I don't feel you address the method of learning new hotkeys from the very beginning. When players are faced with a new set of hotkeys (location keys) and other smart hotkey tricks, the very first thing to do is get accustomed to them. This can only be done by taking it very very slow. The ideal way would be to play versus the CPU on very easy where there would be no pressure whatsoever. Every time you make a mistake, you go back and redo it how you were supposed to do it. Thus you make sure you don't start on any bad habits. Once the player feel he can do more he could naturally raise the CPU level. The mechanical speed should only be risen if the player feel capable of pressuring himself without making too many mistakes. The main thing is to correct yourself every time you make a mistake.
While spamming is good to keep the momentum and warm up, it is also huge problem in creating bad mechanical habits. We will add a step to the "from slow to fast" part of the guide. We made the guide with a target audience of a say 120+ apm masters player as the starting point. We will extend that starting point down lower to make this even more useful. Wait for the first revision of the guide (prolly this weekend). EDIT- SICK we got spotlighted. Br3ezy and I are beyond happy that are efforts are recognized. We spent a while on the v1.0 of this.
Congratulations on the spotlight! :D
I really didn't know that the target audience was that high a level. And I can see you have added more steps to your thread which is very good. I wrote a small mechanical guide with some tips and tricks in Danish on another webside, I wonder if I can translate it and pm it to you? Just for the sake of inspiration.
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oGsNaDa is someone you should watch as his macro and apm is as everyone knows, amazing
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Grubby on playing quickly when he was in korea: (Paraphrased)
"The coach said to me that i play really slow, so i asked him how to play faster, and he said 'play faster'. This actually taught me a lot".
It helped me a lot also, in Starcraft and in Tetris ^^ thank you grubby 
This guide is really good, i'll start watching my FPvods when i can.
Thank you
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Destiny's mechanics are also really good, should definitely be in that list.
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Just some advice for the accuracy section;
I've set my sensitivity a bit higher than usual on my desktop at work. Since I'm on a computer all day at work, I try to focus on accuracy in everything I do. Whether it's selecting and opening folders, or going through menu's, or just waiting around...I'll sometimes box specific excel cells just to work on mouse accuracy.
There's also a training map that helps with accuracy.TzTz made this map a while ago: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/reflex-te/
Definitely fun and helps with speed in addtiion to accuracy since you're punished for misclicks.
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The content of the guide does not seem revolutionary to me. I think most players passing a certain threshold know about the concepts stressed in the guide, even although they may not be able to put it as eloquently as the OP. However, knowing what would be good does not necessarily imply you can or should achieve it. You need two things to follow the OP suggestions:
1) Your hands should move fast and with high precision.
2) Your brain should be capable of recognizing situations extremely fast. Pros look at a screen only for a fraction of a second and are both able to grasp what is happening on the screen and to draw the right conclusions/take the right actions.
1) and 2) come only with concentrated and extensive practice. Even ignoring the time constraint me and many other face, I personally decided that 2) is not worth it. Once, I have seen a Broodwar player claiming something like "I could recognize a drone moving on a screen in a millisecond, but wasn't able to read a book calmly". Well, for my happiness and my career prospects, I hope I'll continue to be capable of focusing on stuff for more than a millisecond...
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Thanks for the Thread, i really like it :-)
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As a former competitive cs 1.6 player and all around fps guy, the switch to sc2 was a dificult one considering my only extensive experience with rts was single player command and conquer games. I was really slow at first and always misclicking things. Then one day, I realized that I needed to try and play sc2 with the precision/accuracy/ and efficiency that I played cs with. Playing sc like a shooter has greatly improved my game. When I need to click single units fast I almost treat it as if Im going in for the headshot on a terrorist fool and If I dont shoot him first he will shooot me. This sense of fps-urgency has made all the difference. Anybody feel the same way?
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Great write up.
I've been looking at my vods that are recorded by xsplit and I know what you're talking about. Replays, unfortunately, do not show mouse strokes and mouse accuracy is crucial when aiming to play with perfect mechanics. Look at how Polt warms up in his stream. He opts NOT to make boxes in the early game. Instead he selects individual scvs when planning to build a building
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Spamming could make you make habits, and then you will forget about other important strategic things I really believe.
I really don't believe anyone spams.. I play at 300 apm and i never spam hardly anything other than possibly move commands because army control is so important. Meanwhile I am barely keeping up expanding, transfering drones, spreading creep, spreading overlords, ling scouting, base scouting, upgrading, injectin, etc..
again, my average apm is 270ish from all the games i play, and my EAPM averages pretty high and my redundancy is usually 30%
besides that, i really enjoyed this guide
FPVod is good idea, you can really see where you make mistakes. You really do see where you make mistakes, get caught up on things, supply blocked, etc.. you will see things you had missed, like when you could spread creep, or an inject you missed, or upgs you saw finish but wasnt paying attention to in the game, etc.
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Great read. Will recommend this to my friends.
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Really well written and I'm glad you shared this with us
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Great guide. Something I definitely need to do. It’s funny SC2Gears APM and EAPM are not comparable to the APM and EAPM in SC2. In SC2 my EAPM, which I think is backwards when you watch your replay… is 110-120. My regular APM is between 60-80. However, in SC2 Gears my APM is roughly 170 and my EAPM is 120, but with a 40% (give or take) redundancy. I definitely need some improvement. I haven’t reviewed a FPVOD, but I can only imagine that I have all kinds of redundancies.
My biggest cycle keys are 4 and 5 because those are my production keys, but even with my APM I feel like it’s never enough. If I could eliminate the 40% redundancy I’m sure I’d be doing a hell of a lot better.
I’m only gold and it frustrates the hell out of me! I also wish I could have a 300APM, but I feel like my fingers are already going as fast as they can 
**Edit** Ok, apparently I'm blind. I rechecked my APM numbers and I was wroonnggggg. My SC2Gears APM is roughly 140. My EAPM is 85 with a 40% redundancy. Where I got those numbers from, I have no idea.
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In all honesty if you are gold with 120 eapm you need to work in other aspects of the game. I recommend reading cecils guide or vers guide that are linked at the bottom of OP of this thread.
GL!
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A typical macro cycle for protoss would be Build probes, warp in, chrono boost, move/attack army, and watch the mini map then repeat.
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On March 15 2012 02:37 vaderseven wrote:
In all honesty if you are gold with 120 eapm you need to work in other aspects of the game. I recommend reading cecils guide or vers guide that are linked at the bottom of OP of this thread.
GL! Will do, thank you! I'll take a look. At this point, I'm willing to do anything. I'm tired of being gold!
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Excellent guide!
Cheers
Dan
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Terrific guide, I shall start using it tomorrow and will see where i get in a week
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