EPT[G] A Focused Approach to Perfecting Mechanics - Page 10
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StateofReverie
United States633 Posts
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
On July 14 2012 23:34 sfdrew wrote: Not that many people can make a living at Starcraft. Most GSL games go about ~ 12-25 mintues, not an hour, and they rarely get supply blocked for any reason other than having overlords or depots destroyed. I'm not sure who you are talking about that actually makes a living at SC2 but has such sloppy macro? I generally see your guide like steer horns. A point here, a point there, with a lot of bull inbetween. I agree with the people who see spamming as a bad way to improve. If you improve your multi-tasking, then the speed will follow, because otherwise you won't be able to pull it off. You have to practice. You think you've given us the second coming of Jesus and you defend it at every corner, but in reality you just packaged up a lot of old and well-known advice in an infomercial style "guide". The introduction reads like those bad internet ads. "Progamers hate him! A HoN player figured out this one weird trick to rappidly improve you SC2 performace. After quickly rising through the ranks, he is now prepared to share his secrets for only $29.99" You, sir, are either missing the point and not wanting to reconsider or are trying to talk down about something that you actually do not know anything about. Seeing as you directly are insulting my writing abilities and the technique that I developed with the help of practice partners and research I must say that you are full of shit. I was stuck at 80apm and 70 eapm for the the longest time in sc1. Like a year or so. The way I broke that wall is pretty much detailed in the guide. As far as mechanics vs making a living... I was very obviously talking about the player known as goody who tends towards very long games (especially in his TvT) even though he has lower apm and lesser mechanics than those he is playing vs. If you could not tell that then you probably are new enough to the sc world that you should take a step back and read the words of the guide with an open mind instead of with the goal to say NO YOU ARE WRONG. You are a poser. | ||
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TheRealzz
150 Posts
But couldn't help notice your list of zergs: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Sen http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MorroW (he sometimes plays TvZ as well) http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Stephano http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/IdrA I feel you should add Losira ? But totally agree with the chosen I follow Idra / Sen / Stephano already. On a side note I follow Hero because of his epic micro even though I am zerg. BTW : FOOOORRRR ZZZZZ ZZZzzeeeeeRg!!! | ||
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TheRealzz
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-IntEnZ-
Sweden50 Posts
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TheRealzz
150 Posts
On August 01 2012 13:44 -IntEnZ- wrote: ^ Does not display in the Strategy forum. For this thread, this guide is awesome. I'm always looking to improve my EAPM, my regular APM hovers around ~250 but my EAPM is around ~130. ^ Thank you!! | ||
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highlordakkarin
Italy6 Posts
It truly is not a difficult task at all to press 456 or 12. This is actually something that has been a problem for me since i first watched the famous day9daily #252, where also day9 recommends to do so. How am i supposed to keep my hand on the keyboard while i spam 456? Should i use only my index to press the 3 of them or should my middle help? The problem is that moving the middle to the 4 button completely messes me up, and i'd like to know if this is just a big limitation of mine that i should overcome...(it's not like i never use 6+ buttons, but keep spamming them is quite problematic for me) | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
On August 19 2012 22:14 highlordakkarin wrote: This is actually something that has been a problem for me since i first watched the famous day9daily #252, where also day9 recommends to do so. How am i supposed to keep my hand on the keyboard while i spam 456? Should i use only my index to press the 3 of them or should my middle help? The problem is that moving the middle to the 4 button completely messes me up, and i'd like to know if this is just a big limitation of mine that i should overcome...(it's not like i never use 6+ buttons, but keep spamming them is quite problematic for me) show me a fpvod and mention where it occurs | ||
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highlordakkarin
Italy6 Posts
On August 20 2012 10:39 vaderseven wrote: show me a fpvod and mention where it occurs Thanks for your attention  Mmh...what are you looking for in a fpvod? Maybe you mean a video of my hand on the keyboard? I am not sure i have well explained my problem in my last post...i'ts just that when i move my hand away from her "standard" position (pinkie on shift, index on 4), i lose orientation and can hardly refind the right keys without giving a glance at the keyboard...of course i'm fine if i only have to quickly press a button like "i" and then return to the comfort position, but to keep spamming "456" at 200+ apm i must keep my hand in an uncomfortable position like all the time, and my fingers just aren't used to find right keys starting from this position. I want to know if i should just have my hand getting used to be more dynamic on the keyboard. | ||
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crow_mw
Poland115 Posts
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Fencar
United States2694 Posts
index on 4) Wait, what?What are your home keys? | ||
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highlordakkarin
Italy6 Posts
I was talking about my standard position while i play. I have nexi on 4, so my index is very comfortable with 4-E-C. While i write my home keys are asdf jklò of course... | ||
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StateofReverie
United States633 Posts
this shape is directly applicable to sc2 because hitting keys on a keyboard is exactly the same as playing notes from a piano. you want sharp, accurate taps that cant be accomplished with sloppy hand posture | ||
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Syntaxs
Germany57 Posts
After seeing the season is over soon I wanted to take myself more time to play again. The goal is to reach my masters league again. (I've been in there in Season 2) So the question now is: What do you think about certain mechanic training maps, for example this one? + Show Spoiler [How the map works] + On May 12 2010 22:09 stet_tcl wrote: On the bottom left side of the map is your starting position and right above that is a terran base. Your purpose is to create an army and destroy the enemy base. The terran will attack and/or drop you at several points in time depending on the difficulty setting. There is also a neutral unit at the island on the right side that you have to rescue and bring back to your base. The tricky part is that in the top right side of the map you control a probe that is constantly being chased by a zergling. So you need to manage your base, defend the attacks and save the neutral unit, all while microing the probe to keep it from dying. This is a great way to practice not only your early game scouting but also your multitasking and hotkey usage. There is also a mineral cap that you must not exceed or you loose the game, a set number of probes that you are allowed to loose and a time limit in which you have to complete the mission. Liquidpedia: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Multitasking_Trainer + Show Spoiler [Downloadlink] + I don't have to work next month and I want to push myself up really hard. Do you think playing this "fun"map an hour a day or so will help me? And again thanks for this highly valuable piece of work! | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
On August 22 2012 16:13 Syntaxs wrote: First off, that is a well written guide! After seeing the season is over soon I wanted to take myself more time to play again. The goal is to reach my masters league again. (I've been in there in Season 2) So the question now is: What do you think about certain mechanic training maps, for example this one? + Show Spoiler [How the map works] + On May 12 2010 22:09 stet_tcl wrote: On the bottom left side of the map is your starting position and right above that is a terran base. Your purpose is to create an army and destroy the enemy base. The terran will attack and/or drop you at several points in time depending on the difficulty setting. There is also a neutral unit at the island on the right side that you have to rescue and bring back to your base. The tricky part is that in the top right side of the map you control a probe that is constantly being chased by a zergling. So you need to manage your base, defend the attacks and save the neutral unit, all while microing the probe to keep it from dying. This is a great way to practice not only your early game scouting but also your multitasking and hotkey usage. There is also a mineral cap that you must not exceed or you loose the game, a set number of probes that you are allowed to loose and a time limit in which you have to complete the mission. Liquidpedia: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Multitasking_Trainer + Show Spoiler [Downloadlink] + I don't have to work next month and I want to push myself up really hard. Do you think playing this "fun"map an hour a day or so will help me? And again thanks for this highly valuable piece of work! They are of minor use in finding problems... and of moderate use in practicing correction of problems. On August 20 2012 19:56 highlordakkarin wrote: Thanks for your attention Mmh...what are you looking for in a fpvod? Maybe you mean a video of my hand on the keyboard? I am not sure i have well explained my problem in my last post...i'ts just that when i move my hand away from her "standard" position (pinkie on shift, index on 4), i lose orientation and can hardly refind the right keys without giving a glance at the keyboard...of course i'm fine if i only have to quickly press a button like "i" and then return to the comfort position, but to keep spamming "456" at 200+ apm i must keep my hand in an uncomfortable position like all the time, and my fingers just aren't used to find right keys starting from this position. I want to know if i should just have my hand getting used to be more dynamic on the keyboard. Hahahahaha. Re-read the OP i think cuz the term FPVOD should be 100% known as a certain thing in the context of this thread. Just make a vid of your screen as you play (read the OP and figure out what fpvod is ) | ||
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highlordakkarin
Italy6 Posts
On August 22 2012 17:49 vaderseven wrote: Hahahahaha. Re-read the OP i think cuz the term FPVOD should be 100% known as a certain thing in the context of this thread. Just make a vid of your screen as you play (read the OP and figure out what fpvod is )Yea sorry, i desperately tried to figure out how your post could make a sense in response to mine and thought that YOU could have misunderstood what a FPVOD is. I was sure that the perplexity i showed in my post was enough to realize this, even without the "ahahah" mark of intelligence and respect. I also know that my english is not that good and that i could have some problem explaining myself clearly, but since other users understood me perfectly, i must just assume that you are the one slow to understand. Don't bother minding my questions from now on. | ||
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crow_mw
Poland115 Posts
So, other than the hand shape, how do you 300 APM guys position your hand on keyboard (with default key bindings)? Fingers 'by default' over asdf? More to the right? Or maybe 456 with ring to index and press most common commands (like a and s) with pinky? | ||
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Kentisc
Belgium9 Posts
Good job man, seriously. At the moment both my APM and EPM are very low (gold player), but I'm sure this will get me far | ||
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StateofReverie
United States633 Posts
On August 22 2012 22:39 crow_mw wrote: @highloardakkarin - I understood perfectly what you meant in your post (and why it wouldn't make much sense to provide a FPVOD of it) and apparently StateofReverie did as well. I was really looking for an OP oppinion on the question you asked but oh well... So, other than the hand shape, how do you 300 APM guys position your hand on keyboard (with default key bindings)? Fingers 'by default' over asdf? More to the right? Or maybe 456 with ring to index and press most common commands (like a and s) with pinky? i dont mean tocsound cliche but it really is true. just as a sword is just anotger extension of your arm, so is your keyboard in a way. you are looking at it all wrong when you ask about hand position because ifcyou are going to play at 300apm a second thats 5 actions a second. thats pretty fast and when you are thinking that fast you think where do i need to go next so you dont slow down when you do something else. You ask where you want your hand to be on the kryboard you make it ALL OVER the keyboard because unless you customized all your hotkeys to one side of the board you will be jumping around more then one handlength on the keyboard | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
But couldn't help notice your list of zergs: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Sen http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MorroW (he sometimes plays TvZ as well) http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Stephano http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/IdrA I feel you should add Losira ? But totally agree with the chosen I follow Idra / Sen / Stephano already. On a side note I follow Hero because of his epic micro even though I am zerg. If only Losira would stream! I maybe cover a changing 6 hours for about 12 hours of a day, but I rarely RARELY see him. On August 22 2012 17:49 vaderseven wrote: They are of minor use in finding problems... and of moderate use in practicing correction of problems. Well said. There is simply no substitute to the first step of self analysis (playing a ladder/1v1 recording your FPVOD and watching it over looking as he says to). Training wheels can only go so far, gotta get on the bike eventually. | ||
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