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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
March 22 2012 09:26 GMT
#141
I went from 90 APM avg to 190 APM avg over the course of a game. My league jumped from plat to diamond (I'm a random player). I was catching drops, catching supply blocks, and doing more damage in my own drops. Pretty effective practice regime if you ask me. When you get used to having your hands move fast, suddenly your brain wants your strategy to do more. If I'm getting colossus, I'm also pushed towards getting a warp prism and dropping while getting colossus. If I'm pressuring a Terran, I want to be moving forces towards his third AND his natural and feinting back whichever side has more units. It's a pretty awesome feeling. I have a lot more improvement to make, but harassing got way more fun with a focus on mechanics.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
March 22 2012 12:29 GMT
#142
On March 22 2012 14:46 Demonhunter04 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 05:47 vaderseven wrote:
On March 19 2012 03:24 Mementoss wrote:
I can't even spam up to 200 APM. Fuuu


Try this:

type asd over and over as fast as you can.

Congrats, you have now spammed up to ~1,400 apm.

Not even joking.

Don't think its a muscle or hand speed thing. Its mental.


If you can hit a single keyboard button eight times a second, you are unusually fast. Just saying....cuz 1,400 APM is about 23 APS.

If I had said spam asdf or alskdjf would you have quibbled that lol?

I do in fact know people that can hit that rate though, not uncommon in the music game world.
Demonhunter04
Profile Joined July 2011
1530 Posts
March 22 2012 15:36 GMT
#143
On March 22 2012 21:29 vaderseven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 14:46 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On March 19 2012 05:47 vaderseven wrote:
On March 19 2012 03:24 Mementoss wrote:
I can't even spam up to 200 APM. Fuuu


Try this:

type asd over and over as fast as you can.

Congrats, you have now spammed up to ~1,400 apm.

Not even joking.

Don't think its a muscle or hand speed thing. Its mental.


If you can hit a single keyboard button eight times a second, you are unusually fast. Just saying....cuz 1,400 APM is about 23 APS.

If I had said spam asdf or alskdjf would you have quibbled that lol?

I do in fact know people that can hit that rate though, not uncommon in the music game world.


That's pretty cool then. I've been using computers for just 6 years and used the same shitty keyboard throughout -_-, maybe that's why I can only do 540 APM of asd. I type at 100 WPM, which apparently corresponds to 500 keystrokes a minute. I wonder how fast those people can type? o_o
"If you don't drop sweat today, you will drop tears tomorrow" - SlayerSMMA
Kfcnoob
Profile Joined January 2011
United States296 Posts
March 22 2012 16:08 GMT
#144
ever since i saw Nada fpvods from sc1 i knew that perfecting mechanics was the secret to a beautiful and elite demonstration of sc
And Artosis sayeth "the one who kills many, but loses few, comes out ahead."
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-22 21:34:03
March 22 2012 21:33 GMT
#145
On March 23 2012 00:36 Demonhunter04 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 21:29 vaderseven wrote:
On March 22 2012 14:46 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On March 19 2012 05:47 vaderseven wrote:
On March 19 2012 03:24 Mementoss wrote:
I can't even spam up to 200 APM. Fuuu


Try this:

type asd over and over as fast as you can.

Congrats, you have now spammed up to ~1,400 apm.

Not even joking.

Don't think its a muscle or hand speed thing. Its mental.


If you can hit a single keyboard button eight times a second, you are unusually fast. Just saying....cuz 1,400 APM is about 23 APS.

If I had said spam asdf or alskdjf would you have quibbled that lol?

I do in fact know people that can hit that rate though, not uncommon in the music game world.


That's pretty cool then. I've been using computers for just 6 years and used the same shitty keyboard throughout -_-, maybe that's why I can only do 540 APM of asd. I type at 100 WPM, which apparently corresponds to 500 keystrokes a minute. I wonder how fast those people can type? o_o


1000apm divided among 8 inputs (2000 notes and the song is exactly 2 minutes long, burst apm if I remember correctly is like 1600) -

+ Show Spoiler +


555bpm at the end of the this song with 8th note runs, thats about 1110 apm or 18.5 aps... and he does it with his feet -

+ Show Spoiler +



Do not doubt your body when you need to play starcraft. We love to talk it up with apm and the like but the extremeness of apm is not about muscles or reaction time. Other games challenge those items to a much larger degree and prove that.

dotDash
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden142 Posts
March 23 2012 11:18 GMT
#146
On March 23 2012 06:33 vaderseven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 00:36 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On March 22 2012 21:29 vaderseven wrote:
On March 22 2012 14:46 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On March 19 2012 05:47 vaderseven wrote:
On March 19 2012 03:24 Mementoss wrote:
I can't even spam up to 200 APM. Fuuu


Try this:

type asd over and over as fast as you can.

Congrats, you have now spammed up to ~1,400 apm.

Not even joking.

Don't think its a muscle or hand speed thing. Its mental.


If you can hit a single keyboard button eight times a second, you are unusually fast. Just saying....cuz 1,400 APM is about 23 APS.

If I had said spam asdf or alskdjf would you have quibbled that lol?

I do in fact know people that can hit that rate though, not uncommon in the music game world.


That's pretty cool then. I've been using computers for just 6 years and used the same shitty keyboard throughout -_-, maybe that's why I can only do 540 APM of asd. I type at 100 WPM, which apparently corresponds to 500 keystrokes a minute. I wonder how fast those people can type? o_o


1000apm divided among 8 inputs (2000 notes and the song is exactly 2 minutes long, burst apm if I remember correctly is like 1600) -

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrBSqRbkypI&feature=related


555bpm at the end of the this song with 8th note runs, thats about 1110 apm or 18.5 aps... and he does it with his feet -

+ Show Spoiler +

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snDMvPtbIi4&feature=related


Do not doubt your body when you need to play starcraft. We love to talk it up with apm and the like but the extremeness of apm is not about muscles or reaction time. Other games challenge those items to a much larger degree and prove that.



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Br3ezy
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States720 Posts
March 26 2012 00:02 GMT
#147
On March 23 2012 00:36 Demonhunter04 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 21:29 vaderseven wrote:
On March 22 2012 14:46 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On March 19 2012 05:47 vaderseven wrote:
On March 19 2012 03:24 Mementoss wrote:
I can't even spam up to 200 APM. Fuuu


Try this:

type asd over and over as fast as you can.

Congrats, you have now spammed up to ~1,400 apm.

Not even joking.

Don't think its a muscle or hand speed thing. Its mental.


If you can hit a single keyboard button eight times a second, you are unusually fast. Just saying....cuz 1,400 APM is about 23 APS.

If I had said spam asdf or alskdjf would you have quibbled that lol?

I do in fact know people that can hit that rate though, not uncommon in the music game world.


That's pretty cool then. I've been using computers for just 6 years and used the same shitty keyboard throughout -_-, maybe that's why I can only do 540 APM of asd. I type at 100 WPM, which apparently corresponds to 500 keystrokes a minute. I wonder how fast those people can type? o_o
i type at 120wpm yo
Check out my guide to mechanics http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319876
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
March 26 2012 00:23 GMT
#148
On March 26 2012 09:02 Br3ezy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 00:36 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On March 22 2012 21:29 vaderseven wrote:
On March 22 2012 14:46 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On March 19 2012 05:47 vaderseven wrote:
On March 19 2012 03:24 Mementoss wrote:
I can't even spam up to 200 APM. Fuuu


Try this:

type asd over and over as fast as you can.

Congrats, you have now spammed up to ~1,400 apm.

Not even joking.

Don't think its a muscle or hand speed thing. Its mental.


If you can hit a single keyboard button eight times a second, you are unusually fast. Just saying....cuz 1,400 APM is about 23 APS.

If I had said spam asdf or alskdjf would you have quibbled that lol?

I do in fact know people that can hit that rate though, not uncommon in the music game world.


That's pretty cool then. I've been using computers for just 6 years and used the same shitty keyboard throughout -_-, maybe that's why I can only do 540 APM of asd. I type at 100 WPM, which apparently corresponds to 500 keystrokes a minute. I wonder how fast those people can type? o_o
i type at 120wpm yo


To mr. Demohunter: your statement, as I understand it, is this:

"Typing just ASD over and and over again, I can only hit 540 APM. Typing words in a regular fashion, I can type at 500 APM."

If you can hit 500 effective APM (hitting the keys you want to hit) with a maximum raw apm of like 540 with your left hand, I'd actually be fairly surprised. I'm sure your raw spam APM is higher than that if you're legitimately typing 100 words per minute.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
kAelle_sc
Profile Joined April 2011
287 Posts
March 27 2012 06:12 GMT
#149
hi br3ezy and vaderseven... what do you think about the grid hotkey setup to improve mechanics? are they more effective for improving mechanics over standard, and so all fingers of the left hand will be used? for the mouse two fingers are all that are really needed afaik...
It's all about the journey, not the outcome.
Br3ezy
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States720 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-01 05:00:28
April 01 2012 04:50 GMT
#150
Hey i know i haven't really gotten a chance to stream yet, but i just wanted to say im currently streaming righ tnow. You can watch it right here http://www.justin.tv/racenilatr

edit: nvm its being too laggy right now
Check out my guide to mechanics http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319876
Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 09:04:59
May 13 2012 08:59 GMT
#151
Ahh... I'd forgotten about this, then remembered as my mechanics went to the dump for some reason. I can't wait to start really improving my mechanics. :D

I really need to work on mouse accuracy......
This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
dotDash
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden142 Posts
May 13 2012 11:23 GMT
#152
On May 13 2012 17:59 Fencer710 wrote:
Ahh... I'd forgotten about this, then remembered as my mechanics went to the dump for some reason. I can't wait to start really improving my mechanics. :D

I really need to work on mouse accuracy......


Try clicking on certain thing at every start of a new game. Like rally to new mineral patches, click on different SCVs and such.

Cheers
Dan
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thurim
Profile Joined May 2011
France31 Posts
May 14 2012 15:31 GMT
#153
Hi all,

I have started to play for one month and improve thanks to all the nice guide and stuff i have find in TL but now i am stuck at plat level and think i need to improve my mechanics to try to go further ahead.

I have read this guide which is very well writen and explained and now try to put it into practice.

However i face a huge huge problem cause i made a lot mistakes that i did not make before like being supply block or forgotten some upgrades cause "typing" get some attention to me as i am not used to do it all the times (i only type when i had to produce some stuffs ... but not when i don't need to so it is no automatic for me). I wanted to know if it is normal and if i had to continue or if i am too low level to start typing all the time. I think this method can help me cause i am not ease with my control keyboard especially when i had to use control group, my nightmare is in TvP when i had tou coordinate my army (1), ghost (2) and vikings (3) i often mess all and fall apart.

i am sorry if my post is not 100% clear to sum up : i feel like i am doing less good that what i used to when i try to up my apm by typing, is it normal ? if no what i do wrong and how can i fix it ? if yes should i continue, how long does it take to get used to it (in average)

I also wanted to ask a question about the placement of the hand on the keyboard, i tend to use only my little (pinky) finger for produce rines(a),cv(s) and my 1,2,3 control group ...my middle finger for other control group and that's all what is the standard way to use fingers on keyboard, is my way to do ok or do i need to change ?

Sorry for all noob questions and thanks a lot for people who will take time to read and answer.
Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
May 15 2012 04:44 GMT
#154
On May 15 2012 00:31 thurim wrote:
Hi all,

I have started to play for one month and improve thanks to all the nice guide and stuff i have find in TL but now i am stuck at plat level and think i need to improve my mechanics to try to go further ahead.

I have read this guide which is very well writen and explained and now try to put it into practice.

However i face a huge huge problem cause i made a lot mistakes that i did not make before like being supply block or forgotten some upgrades cause "typing" get some attention to me as i am not used to do it all the times (i only type when i had to produce some stuffs ... but not when i don't need to so it is no automatic for me). I wanted to know if it is normal and if i had to continue or if i am too low level to start typing all the time. I think this method can help me cause i am not ease with my control keyboard especially when i had to use control group, my nightmare is in TvP when i had tou coordinate my army (1), ghost (2) and vikings (3) i often mess all and fall apart.

i am sorry if my post is not 100% clear to sum up : i feel like i am doing less good that what i used to when i try to up my apm by typing, is it normal ? if no what i do wrong and how can i fix it ? if yes should i continue, how long does it take to get used to it (in average)

I also wanted to ask a question about the placement of the hand on the keyboard, i tend to use only my little (pinky) finger for produce rines(a),cv(s) and my 1,2,3 control group ...my middle finger for other control group and that's all what is the standard way to use fingers on keyboard, is my way to do ok or do i need to change ?

Sorry for all noob questions and thanks a lot for people who will take time to read and answer.

For me personally, back when I used standard, I used my pinky for Q, A, Z, shift, control, and 1. I used my next finger for W, S, X, and 2. I used my middle finger for 3, E, D, C, and **maybe 4? I used my pointing finger for everything to the right of what my middle finger does. My thumb is useless.

*I play Terran.

**I don't remember if I used my pointing or my middle finger to press the 4 key.

***I didn't use screen hotkeys when I played standard.
This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
May 15 2012 09:26 GMT
#155
On May 15 2012 00:31 thurim wrote:
Hi all,

I have started to play for one month and improve thanks to all the nice guide and stuff i have find in TL but now i am stuck at plat level and think i need to improve my mechanics to try to go further ahead.

I have read this guide which is very well writen and explained and now try to put it into practice.

However i face a huge huge problem cause i made a lot mistakes that i did not make before like being supply block or forgotten some upgrades cause "typing" get some attention to me as i am not used to do it all the times (i only type when i had to produce some stuffs ... but not when i don't need to so it is no automatic for me). I wanted to know if it is normal and if i had to continue or if i am too low level to start typing all the time. I think this method can help me cause i am not ease with my control keyboard especially when i had to use control group, my nightmare is in TvP when i had tou coordinate my army (1), ghost (2) and vikings (3) i often mess all and fall apart.

i am sorry if my post is not 100% clear to sum up : i feel like i am doing less good that what i used to when i try to up my apm by typing, is it normal ? if no what i do wrong and how can i fix it ? if yes should i continue, how long does it take to get used to it (in average)

I also wanted to ask a question about the placement of the hand on the keyboard, i tend to use only my little (pinky) finger for produce rines(a),cv(s) and my 1,2,3 control group ...my middle finger for other control group and that's all what is the standard way to use fingers on keyboard, is my way to do ok or do i need to change ?

Sorry for all noob questions and thanks a lot for people who will take time to read and answer.


Are you resting your hand on the desk or keyboard?

In order to progress beyond plat, or at least to progress beyond some point, you will need to master the art of pressing 1, 2, and 3 at the correct times. I play with my hand resting on nothing and I tap my keys semi-hard (i like to hear the click). Make sure you aren't resting your hand as your motion will be very limited.

As far as which finger hits which button? I think you need to think more in terms of one finger to a button in each hand position (don't try to map that out, use that as a guiding idea or philosophy). If I want to hit 1, 2 and 3, I certainly don't do that with my pinky. I use my Index, Middle, and Ring fingers to do that usually. One finger per button in that case.

The situation you describe (tvp ghost army viking) is hard to control. Don't label yourself bad at something because your first attempts fail horribly. It takes time.



That is some very good hand movements (don't let their speed discourage you!). You can at least see the general way the hand will move and how the various fingers are used. Do what they are doing at 1/4th to 1/10th the speed!
OneBaseKing
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Afghanistan412 Posts
May 15 2012 19:22 GMT
#156
About the spamming, i am a terran and i put 4 for ccs and 5 for production facilities. Should i spam 4 & 5? Or 1,4,5 or 2,4,5?
Lokishadow
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States71 Posts
May 17 2012 20:54 GMT
#157
If you watch KawaiiRice on twitch.tv and stare at the hot key layout at the bottom of the UI while he's playing, you'll see him spam 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 to cycle through his rax, cc, SCV, Marines, and other stuff. Other pro players do similar things depending on their hotkey setups. It's more a matter of training your fingers to move both quickly and accuratly.

I doubled my apm (though it's still painfully low) in a couple of weeks by playing typing games and osu, and then striving to keep my fingers moving in an SC2 game.

I'm no expert though, so don't take my word for it. I suck at this game. Just trying to help.
Eggs and bacon and sausage and spam with a little less spam -- Grubby
Snoodles
Profile Joined March 2012
401 Posts
May 17 2012 21:11 GMT
#158
Because of this thread I'm now keeping a video diary of my games on Twitchtv. I'm already taking notice of what things lead me to neglect my main/macro, how long i have idle workers, where i pay too much attention to micro, etc. I'm also noticing moments of hesitation, where I look at my base but my mind goes blank and im not sure what the next thing to do is. I want to come up with some sort of default action for when I'm hesitating, because doing a sub-optimal thing is better than doing nothing. Im thinking something like..."when confused, make more barracks and spam more marines." Worst case I have more marines, or I figure out what to do a few seconds later and cancel the rax.
KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
May 17 2012 22:27 GMT
#159
did someone say MECHANICS
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=56230
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zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
May 18 2012 02:12 GMT
#160
You Thank, but not necessarily in. that. order.
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