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Anyway, this is kind of off-topic. Just wanted to say that, even though I don't use this style, this is a really good guide and I figured it was about time that article was corrected.
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Sated
England4983 Posts
Anyway, this is kind of off-topic. Just wanted to say that, even though I don't use this style, this is a really good guide and I figured it was about time that article was corrected. | ||
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Baconcio
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Shikada
Serbia976 Posts
Of course people are using the LP. I love it, and all the hard work that goes into it is inspiring. | ||
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kcdc
United States2311 Posts
On September 04 2012 07:23 Baconcio wrote: Where's the 16 pylon? ._. It's funny to me how people always ask about the 16 pylon, but not the 9 pylon or any of the other obvious buildings, probes, etc that I didn't list. I only specified timings for things that could reasonably be at a different time. | ||
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WolfBro
United States59 Posts
I've been seeing some terrans do a 2 medivac timing that hits at 9:30 in obs games. I'm not entirely sure what they are doing differently to do the timing to hit at that time because I haven't really paid that much attention before the attack, but I'm sure the standing army is weaker as a result or maybe they're an upgrade short. Would the build as is still be strong against the timing? | ||
monk
United States8476 Posts
On October 26 2012 01:26 WolfBro wrote: Sorry, hope this doesn't count as a necro. I've been seeing some terrans do a 2 medivac timing that hits at 9:30 in obs games. I'm not entirely sure what they are doing differently to do the timing to hit at that time because I haven't really paid that much attention before the attack, but I'm sure the standing army is weaker as a result or maybe they're an upgrade short. Would the build as is still be strong against the timing as is? Ha, I just talked to kcdc about this. The Terrans aren't doing anything differently, just doing their build more optimally, getting faster medivacs. It's entirely possible to hit such a fast timing with the standard Terran build. A small map also helps greatly. I'll let kcdc answer the actual question. | ||
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United States156 Posts
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kcdc
United States2311 Posts
On October 26 2012 01:26 WolfBro wrote: Sorry, hope this doesn't count as a necro. I've been seeing some terrans do a 2 medivac timing that hits at 9:30 in obs games. I'm not entirely sure what they are doing differently to do the timing to hit at that time because I haven't really paid that much attention before the attack, but I'm sure the standing army is weaker as a result or maybe they're an upgrade short. Would the build as is still be strong against the timing? The standard timing hits between 10:10 and 10:30 with 3 barracks, 2 medivacs, stim, combat shield and +1 weapons. If T cuts something, they can hit sooner. For example, in a recent game, I went nexus first and T responded by skipping the third barracks for a faster factory, and the medivac timing hit at about 9:40. These faster attacks are pretty rare in the current metagame, but you should have an idea they're coming if you're holding a watchtower with your stalker. At this point, I'd recommend morphing archons and warping in some stalkers for drop defense. It's possible that you will be able to forcefield your front closed until you have storm, so make a judgement call on whether you want to morph all your templar to archons. It's good to keep 1 templar with your stalkers in your main to feedback the drops before finishing them with stalkers. | ||
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Wingblade
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kcdc
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leveller
Sweden1840 Posts
thanks kcdc for this build | ||
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Teno
Germany80 Posts
i had no strom ready i guess if i see that i have to build 1 archon or? | ||
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leveller
Sweden1840 Posts
On November 03 2012 21:00 livestar wrote: i lost a game on daybreak where ho moved out at 9:00 min and reached my base at 10 min with 2 medivac drops and i lost cause he invested also in a small force at expansion. i had no strom ready i guess if i see that i have to build 1 archon or? If storm is too far away either feedback and archon or just archon. I like feedback better, especially if you have some forcefields to stall them while your archon is morphing (feedback got a good range) | ||
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Teno
Germany80 Posts
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Aelfric
Turkey1496 Posts
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scranton
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Teoita
Italy12242 Posts
On November 03 2012 21:37 Aelfric wrote: I kinda feel like cyber or pylon scouts are too late because terrans are walling off and faking expansions where you have no idea of if they are really doing it or not. Lately i've died to fast 3 rax mass marines with fake exp because of this so i tend to scout after first gate otherwise i may not be able to see gas timings or even get inside terran base and good terrans abuse these kind of stuff and there is no way you can scout with anything else than probe that early in the game. This has been talked to death. If you can have good reads with your probe poke as well as a zealot/stalker poke, you should be able to hold off anything, especially with a 1gate fe like this which doesn't cut units. Anything else is an execution problem on your part, mostly. | ||
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kcdc
United States2311 Posts
On November 03 2012 21:53 scranton wrote: hey, nice 75% win ratio vs terrans can you please explain why you get angry at me , im just a manner nice guy and you bad manner me like this lol. http://drop.sc/270590 tvp isnt my specialty so....sorry.. I'm usually friendly on ladder, but sometimes I get mad at myself for losing to dumb stuff. I'm guessing you did some sort of 1-base play. I get especially annoyed if I lose to reactor 2-rax, for example, because this build order (and almost all Protoss build orders) is such a hard counter to 2-rax that I must have had to do something really bad to lose. Ah, checked the chat log. I remember that game. It was on Daybreak and you camped the middle with planetary fotresses. I hate lategame PvT and PvZ on Daybreak because it's so easy to shut down all the action once you take the middle base. Zerg builds 50 spines, and T build planetaries and stacks ghosts. Anyway, I don't think what I said was really very BM, so I don't know why you're posting it here except maybe to brag about beating me......which isn't very hard. I can't remember the last time I played someone that didn't have at least 50% more APM than me. You have more than double. Good work. | ||
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