[G] kcdc's PvT - Page 5

On May 07 2012 01:55 Fabriziox1 wrote:
What woudl you do in response to a bansheee that hits around 6:35 or 6:40 while he is expanding in the back?

On March 10 2012 06:19 kcdc wrote:


If you see nothing at the natural and signs point to 1-1-1:

32 zealot (1 chronoboost)
34 robo
34 assimilator

Pull your troops back to your natural. Use your 2 unit warp-in at 6:00 to warp 2 stalkers in to defend your mineral line in your main. Remember to actually put the stalkers IN the mineral line because it's going to be really annoying when hellions drop somewhere you don't expect and get free shots while your stalkers walk over. Build pylons at the normal times, but be sure to spread them to spot incoming drops and banshees. Send a probe to monitor T's natural, and chronoboost 2 observers as soon as your robo finishes.

Take your third gas, and continue warping in stalkers and zealots. You want to prioritize stalkers as gas allows until you have about 6 for harass-defense. After ~6 stalkers, you want to favor zealots as they're better for defeating the eventual push. Keep 3 stalkers in each mineral line until the push comes. Get 3 more gates (total of 5) and cut probe production entirely when you reach ~38 workers.

If it's a normal 1-1-1 with tanks, get an immortal after 2 observers and then spend your next 200 gas on a robo support bay. Having a colossus is important for beating late all-ins at 12:30 or later because the marine ball will get too big with too little surface area to beat it consistently with just zealots+guardian shield. If the push leaves earlier, you can just cancel the support bay to get out a couple extra units. Pull some probes off of gas as you'll mostly need zealots from this point on.

If it's a 2-port banshee all-in, get a forge and a stargate. Cannon the crap out of your natural, get some phoenixes, and then get a support bay if he's just chilling outside your natural. If you have enough cannons, he can't push without tanks, and you'll have a colossus by the time he can start sieging your cannons.

Kill whatever push he sends your way and collect your victory.

If it's cloaked banshee into expansion instead of an all-in, do a 2 colossus timing with thermal lance.

On May 08 2012 23:30 NrGmonk wrote:

I think you're confusing kcdc for someone else.

On May 08 2012 23:41 Treehead wrote:


Think eery's point was that kcdc made a thread theorizing one branch of the build commonly called the "MC 1 gate FE" way back before MC was doing it. I assume that's why he added the

On May 08 2012 22:23 kcdc wrote:
Eery,

That sounds like a very reasonable build. I didn't watch the video, so I'm not sure exactly what the 1 gate FE is or how safe it is against early barracks pressure, but you could always swap the 1 gate FE's to whichever you prefer.

It seems like desRow is doing the same 2 base templar build that I do against gasless CC except he goes robo -> storm -> double forge whereas I go single forge -> storm -> robo. The result is that he'll have more scouting information, but I'll have a stronger army until 17 minutes or so when his upgrades catch up to mine. I'll hit 1/3 before he hits 2/2, but he'll probably hit 3/3 before I do.

It seems like a reasonable trade-off. For one thing, you'll be able to tell triple orbital from 2 base cloaked banshee. You'll also see marine-tank attacks coming which can be a little tricky since they can hit a little before your storm timing.

On the other hand, the slower armor upgrades are a real cost when you're fighting marines with chargelots in the mid-game.

All in all, I think it's reasonable, but I wouldn't say either option is better than the other. They're iterations of the same concept which is to time storm in such a way that you can afford skip stalkers, since skipping stalkers allows you a stronger army and faster tech.

On May 09 2012 16:09 tuestresfat wrote:

yea his first 1gate FE thread is quite similar to MC's 1gate FE, it's probably what eery1 was referring to