EPTTo be honest I still haven't understood how OP's method is better then click workers back and back on mineral.
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Geiko
France2051 Posts
To be honest I still haven't understood how OP's method is better then click workers back and back on mineral. | ||
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VoO
Germany278 Posts
On January 13 2012 12:40 Geiko wrote: I just made this for people who want to see how to correctly micro workers on patches. I can hit 1:30 rather than 1:31 if I use my close probe to build the gate but then I have to stack them again later and I'm lazy... Keep in mind that a 1:30 is the time when you put down an 11 gate if you don't probe micro, so this shows how effective prope microing is. I don't understand how this works. You cycle through your idle worker list by keeping the hotkey pressed and assign them to the first tier patches, then to second tier patches and finally to the first tier patches again. So when the 2nd assignment of probes to first tier patches is made, the 1st assignement of probes on first tier patches are on their way of return - no conflict arises. Is this correct? If my assumption is correct, I imagine that this method must be derived specifically for each map. On a further note: pressing two hotkeys at once only spams the last key pressed, i.e. F1 + e, results in F1eeeee..., not F1eF1eF1eF1... | ||
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Feor
Germany11 Posts
Geiko's probe split is insane, gotta try that out when i'm home from work..! | ||
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Geiko
France2051 Posts
This method works best on XNC type maps where there are 4 "tier 1" patches. So you assign all 4 probes to the tier 1 patches 1,2,3 4, then the next 2 to patches 1 and 2 where they will mine right after the first probes. It's usually very easy to get them to pair up from the very beginning, which leaves you with less probe micro to do later on. | ||
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VoO
Germany278 Posts
On January 13 2012 23:20 Geiko wrote: No, pressing two hotkeys result in F1 e F1 e F1 e F1 e F1 e F1 e F1 e F1 e F1 e F1 e F1 e F1 e. This method works best on XNC type maps where there are 4 "tier 1" patches. So you assign all 4 probes to the tier 1 patches 1,2,3 4, then the next 2 to patches 1 and 2 where they will mine right after the first probes. It's usually very easy to get them to pair up from the very beginning, which leaves you with less probe micro to do later on. Not on my computer  Yes thats what I meant this works differently on different types of patch layout - sometimes better, sometimes worse. | ||
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blinkblue
United States119 Posts
On January 13 2012 22:44 Geiko wrote: You don't need to hold S at the beginning. Probes just stay on the patch you tell them to go to as long as you didn't tell them too fast. To be honest I still haven't understood how OP's method is better then click workers back and back on mineral. I meant for zerg. You have to press S to select the larva, and D for the drone. So to make this work, you would have to be spamming F1 s d F1 s d, which as far as I can tell, is not possible. On January 13 2012 23:36 VoO wrote: Not on my computer Yes thats what I meant this works differently on different types of patch layout - sometimes better, sometimes worse. It probably does work on your computer. It took me a while to figure it out, but if you press both at the exact same time, it will produce F1 e F1 e F1 e. If you hit after another, even if you're holding both down, it will input F1 eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. I imagine some keyboards/windows settings??? can allow you to press them at separate times and alternate between the two, but mine doesn't (and I don't think any of my computers have ever done this unless I press them simultaneously.) And yeah, I haven't tried it, but from what everyone is saying there doesn't seem to be a need to spam S + click instead of just spamming click, or walking the worker back and forth until it's time to mine. The alignment appears to be fine 95% of the time I use the click method, although I definitely prefer walking the drone away and then back towards the patch if I know it's going to be a long wait for him to mine. It's also probably more efficient to just let them mine from a tier 2 if you're going to be sitting there spamming click for a full few seconds and putting him back on later. I see Stephano having drones sitting there doing nothing quite often, which probably means they're taking even longer to mine+get back than simply using a tier 2 patch until the timings match up to the first tier patches more efficiently. | ||
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Geiko
France2051 Posts
On January 13 2012 23:49 blinkblue wrote: I meant for zerg. You have to press S to select the larva, and D for the drone. So to make this work, you would have to be spamming F1 s d F1 s d, which as far as I can tell, is not possible. It probably does work on your computer. It took me a while to figure it out, but if you press both at the exact same time, it will produce F1 e F1 e F1 e. If you hit after another, even if you're holding both down, it will input F1 eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. I imagine some keyboards/windows settings??? can allow you to press them at separate times and alternate between the two, but mine doesn't (and I don't think any of my computers have ever done this unless I press them simultaneously.) And yeah, I haven't tried it, but from what everyone is saying there doesn't seem to be a need to spam S + click instead of just spamming click, or walking the worker back and forth until it's time to mine. It works with zerg if you holf F1+s+d but then you have to rebind the stop command to something else then "s" because then your drones won't go mining. You could for example rebind your select larva to "r" and hold F1+r+d, but that's a bit extreme just to have a 0.1 secs faster split  Just make the drone and then hold F1 to split. | ||
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blinkblue
United States119 Posts
On January 13 2012 23:55 Geiko wrote: It works with zerg if you holf F1+s+d but then you have to rebind the stop command to something else then "s" because then your drones won't go mining. You could for example rebind your select larva to "r" and hold F1+r+d, but that's a bit extreme just to have a 0.1 secs faster split Just make the drone and then hold F1 to split. Actually, it seems you're right, except hitting all 3 buttons and having them all spam perfectly seems to be a bit inconsistent, sometimes inputting F1 s d s d s d, or other alternatives. | ||
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Geiko
France2051 Posts
On January 13 2012 23:57 blinkblue wrote: Also, Geiko: Using your method, don't you think it would be even faster to simply split them evenly between the tier 1 and tier 2 patches at the start of the game, assuming you can do it quick enough? A perfect computerized split should just send all of them mining to separate patches immediately and then later switching them to tier 1 patches... at least I think. Maybe it's not possible to have hand speed fast enough to make that more efficient than stacking patches, but your method seems to have workers 5 and 6 waiting for an entire half mining path before they begin mining (else they wouldn't line up perfectly on the tier 1s with the other workers) No, as I've explained before, workers 5 and 6 will be forced on close mineral patches one moment or an other. If you take time to think about it, the fact that they are being forced before the first trip doesn't change anything as long as you are able to afford the first worker at the normal timing. Most efficient method is a 3-3 split if you can manage to select the middle probe before it mines and force it on a close patch, then do it again for the other side. However the F1 split is much easier to do, since your workers are already all paired, it makes microing much easier. Regarding the zerg problem, you can also hold down F1 and d and click on a larva instead of clicking on the hatch. | ||
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blinkblue
United States119 Posts
On January 14 2012 00:03 Geiko wrote: No, as I've explained before, workers 5 and 6 will be forced on close mineral patches one moment or an other. If you take time to think about it, the fact that they are being forced before the first trip doesn't change anything as long as you are able to afford the first worker at the normal timing. Most efficient method is a 3-3 split if you can manage to select the middle probe before it mines and force it on a close patch, then do it again for the other side. However the F1 split is much easier to do, since your workers are already all paired, it makes microing much easier. Regarding the zerg problem, you can also hold down F1 and d and click on a larva instead of clicking on the hatch. For some reason, 100% of the time I try just clicking the hatch, hitting SD, and then holding down f1, there's an idle worker who does nothing despite me clicking 6 times. I think it has to do with the fact that there's a pause when using that method: F1....................F1F1F1F1F1 so the first idle worker get's moved to patch 1, and then patch 2, and then worker 2 gets moved to patch 3. Clicking the larva is hard and very inconsistent when your workers spawn on top of the larva. Neither method seems to work well I think the only way to do this is rebind your larva or stop key. | ||
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Geiko
France2051 Posts
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oMgPonies
Canada29 Posts
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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
This the best thread I read this week. Thank you!!! | ||
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soapyy.
United States103 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
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k3m4
Germany94 Posts
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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
On January 14 2012 01:24 Alejandrisha wrote: that's a pretty sick method geiko. i can get a 1:31 gate at least half the time with my lazy 3/3 split and only do micro after that but will definitely try the f1 method since it might help with my mouse accuracy and eventually get it 100% :D I wonder which method is better... F1 split definitely looks pretty cool | ||
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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
On January 13 2012 23:36 VoO wrote: Not on my computer Yes thats what I meant this works differently on different types of patch layout - sometimes better, sometimes worse. Ok to you and other guys in the thread having issues with holding down multiple keys, you guys need a keyboard with at least 2 key rollover (3 key rollover if you're zerg). Most mechanical keyboards have this feature. It's not a software thing. | ||
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Nuclease
United States1049 Posts
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Feos
Germany71 Posts
i mean i could just take the 3/3 split and stop 1 probe to add to the nearer patch instead letting it start on a farther patch. but this will cost me minerals since i lose half a cycle. how is it different here? i mean of course it obviously works but i just wonder if the immediate stacking is compensating for this lost half cycles or if i am missing something. check out sase doing it <3 thats how i do it as well... no need for spamming if your timing is good | ||
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