Hi guys, I don't know if this is breaking the rules or not, but I figured it couldn't hurt to ask this here. And I didn't know if this is the right place to post or not, I think this is actually my first thread on TL.net.

I need to know what the biggest differences are between platinum and diamond and what I need to do to close those differences. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Avril_Lavigne

United States446 Posts

January 06 2012 19:39 GMT

A lot of it is control and map awareness imo. my friend bounces between diamond and platinum a lot of the times. Not quite sure how big the gap between the two in terms of mechanics goes though.

TiTanIum_

Brazil1335 Posts

January 06 2012 19:54 GMT

What I feel is that Platinum players get too passive at times. They seldom attack before the 10 minutes mark (except for all ins, ofc). Diamond players do more proddings(?) into the enemy´s base. Strategies like reactor helion and cloak banshees in platinum only achieve one part of their goals, which is to deal damage, and not to scout tech (examples for TvZ, there are other examples in other MUs as well).

DrKillface

Australia106 Posts

January 06 2012 19:58 GMT

Scouting, map control, and slower timing on every expo after nat I find. I'm high diamond getting mostly masters on the ladder and I have a lot of gold/low diamond friends I play with and obs games of and these are the major flaws I see compared to my play (as a toss). Also macro in general but you'd be surprised how terrible some of the macro of low masters NA players are

llKenZyll

United States853 Posts

January 06 2012 20:00 GMT

Macro.

Oliveran

Sweden72 Posts

January 06 2012 20:01 GMT

Biggest between a plat and dia player:
- Knowledge of how to react in un-orthadox situations and be able to adapt at any time
- Map-awareness
- Timings
- Scouting

The main things that I improved on between platinum and diamond, but now I'm a couple of games away from masters though ^^"

zezamer

Finland5701 Posts

January 06 2012 20:04 GMT

diamond players are better in every way.

Tal0n

United States175 Posts

January 06 2012 20:15 GMT

as platinum, you might know a couple builds very well, but a diamond player should know which builds are standard for each matchup and be capable of executing the macro part of it perfectly.

once you are good at multitasking (like holding 2 medivacs with marines while he pushes), you will likely become masters

my minimap vision is terrible and i'm zerg but i'm masters regardless. you can really pick something to become really good at and if you are smart about abusing that strength of yours, you will get promoterd eventually.

UmiNotsuki

United States633 Posts

January 06 2012 20:16 GMT

I think it really depends on the player, really. I know lots of people who had poor mechanics holding them from that promotion, some who had poor game sense, others with relatively fantastic macro and mechanics but frankly laughable strategies and builds... you're gonna have to analyze your own play to find out what you really need to work on.

Alternatively, you should feel free to make some [H]elp threads here on TL. Post some replays, give your brief analysis of what went on and what you could've worked on, and then ask for the help of the TL community on giving their opinions on what would've helped you out.

glhf!

OzkanTheFlip

United States246 Posts

January 06 2012 20:23 GMT

#10

i have found that the difference is that good plats only win with build orders and when you start to be good at diamond you just win a regular games

Corsica

Ukraine1854 Posts

January 06 2012 20:27 GMT

#11

I think main thing is ability to "improvise" i mean change things on the fly, and mini map awareness

Sajaki

Canada1135 Posts

January 06 2012 20:28 GMT

#12

Macro (especially during activity like drops and attacks)
Game sense (when to drone when to play greedy)
Army Positioning (u mean im NOT supposed to attack into a choke vs Colo sentry?)
Build order execution.

Things you can do:

Do alot of drops, ling runbys, or even offensive pokes with ur army while ur trying to macro efficiently behind it, prioritizew the macro as opposed to doing damage (for learning sake)
Play alot of games...

Really the best way to improve gamesense. Alternately you can watch ur replays and compare you to your opponent to determine timings. "Is it really safe to drone here? Or SHOULD i be droning here?"
For army positioning, you can try playing rather defensive and make him attack into a concave, whilst teching to broods and infestors. Or you can be aggressive and just test what angles and where you can attack for optimal army value.
Build order execution: This is more for P and T, but as zerg is more reliant on general principles and timings, try getting the drone timings, spire timing, and tech timing down pat. As well as the expansion timings!

Seiferz

United States640 Posts

January 06 2012 20:31 GMT

#13

imo the main difference is having more refined builds + macroing with them in general.

my friend made the jump a little while ago and from what I noticed all he did was practice the same build over and over. you'll get to a point where you're so smooth that it wont matter if you mess up your control vs plats.

good luck!

SidewinderSC2

United States236 Posts

January 06 2012 20:34 GMT

#14

The difference between every league is primarily macro.

Beyond that, game sense (attacking/defending), scouting and army control are the next most important things.

Thobrik

Sweden1120 Posts

January 06 2012 20:38 GMT

#15

I remember what got me over the treshold was grouping all my nexuses on 1 hotkey. Yep, it was that simple.

What this did is it:

a) Made sure I never missed a probe while on multiple bases. Where I previously did some shit like 4e 5e 6e I could now simply 4eee
b) Made my clicking more accurate by forcing me to click on a base instead of hotkey to it...
c)... which in turned increased my map awareness dramatically.

bgalang92

United States155 Posts

January 06 2012 20:39 GMT

#16

It's mostly mechanics. I main toss but I deranked an account to plat to off race with. I jumped in a few games as toss just to relax and I found as long as I played safe and didn't overextend I'd easily win with my first push off my third base, or my first counterpush after defending 1 base pressure. It's the little things. Toss weren't to great at chronoing warp gate research and micro, terrans weren't too great with making SCVs or managing vikings with their late game army, Zergs played too safe and didn't drone or expand, or know when they were overextending and throwing away free army.

TheWalls

United States15 Posts

January 06 2012 20:46 GMT

#17

The main difference between diamond and plat is pretty substatial imo, just as hard as diamnd > masters. in platnum, you are begining to actually think of what to do rather then blindly do a strat no matter the situation hopefully. Diamond players have a more refined ability to pull "On the run" transitions and not fall behind in macro. For example, if a plat player goes for a 4gate and (PVP) and the other person goes 3gate robo and has an immortal out, more then likely, the plat player would go either all in and just try to break down a force that relies on terrible control from the opponent rather then being able to drop their loses and transistion. When im caught in this situation, i expo while containg with sentries into chargelot archon. (being diamond) plat has helped me to realize that there shud always be a transition out of any strat and not throw away a game that im behind in but not lost becuase i have no idea what to do. I face peopel from time to time that lose 2 workers (to place down proxy) and just gg out. Not saying anything against peopel who dont play from behind, but being able to constantly know what to do is a underated difference in these 2 leagues

kungfu

United States30 Posts

January 06 2012 20:49 GMT

#18

Keep in mind that this is only between two friends of mine.

The largest difference between the two lied in worker production. The platinum player would always have gaps in his production of scv's and this would, in the end cost him games.

Ignorant prodigy

United States385 Posts

January 06 2012 20:51 GMT

#19

On January 07 2012 05:28 Sajaki wrote:
Army Positioning (u mean im NOT supposed to attack into a choke vs Colo sentry?)

I dont know one platinum player that thinks they're supposed to do that... "stop it"

I don't think you can paint the difference between the leagues with one giant stroke.. everyone is different.. it could be one matchup holding someone back.. it could be someone has good macro but never looks at the mini map

This thread will just get a bunch of opinions which may hold true is specific situations, but there will be no consensus.

The obvious difference is win ratio & MMR.. the direct corolation to those values is skill and/or understanding vs. their opponents skill and/or understanding.

cleecks

Netherlands109 Posts

January 06 2012 20:56 GMT

#20

On January 07 2012 05:04 zezamer wrote:
diamond players are better in every way.

Pretty much agree with this. The difference between platinum and diamond in general is just more crispness of your whole gameplay in general: macro, micro, scouting, map control, and gamesense.

If you want to imrpove fast, analysing your own losses (and sometimes wins, if you're unsure why you won) becomes pretty important as you need to know what parts you're not good enough at, so you can work on those.

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