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monk
United States8477 Posts
On September 15 2012 16:46 Daniel12 wrote: This build still works good on high levels? 'cause its from 2011 and maybe there is a new version of this build? Yes, to a certain extent. Of course, in reaction to the new double reactor builds, there have been new versions made. | ||
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-MoOsE-
United States236 Posts
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monk
United States8477 Posts
On September 16 2012 08:18 -MoOsE- wrote: Monk, I'm looking for the variation of the robo bay before the 2 forges. I actually consider that an entirely different build. It's too far removed from this build to be considered the same imo. Again, I do have replays of Creator doing it, but I can't give them out. However, robo bay into double forge is very very common, so you shouldn't have problems finding replays. | ||
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xOtit
United States253 Posts
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Indrium
United States2236 Posts
On September 16 2012 08:51 monk. wrote: I actually consider that an entirely different build. It's too far removed from this build to be considered the same imo. Again, I do have replays of Creator doing it, but I can't give them out. However, robo bay into double forge is very very common, so you shouldn't have problems finding replays. To supplement this, look at Genius' TSL4 qualifier replays. He does this in almost all of his PVTs. | ||
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monk
United States8477 Posts
On September 16 2012 21:21 Indrium wrote: To supplement this, look at Genius' TSL4 qualifier replays. He does this in almost all of his PVTs. Yea, I recall Genius does this a ton. Mana used to as well, but has since switched his style up a lot. | ||
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attaQue90
Germany3 Posts
i lost to a Terran who did the Medivac Push with 5 Rax instead of 3 Rax. He had +1 and cut scvs at 50. He stimmed at 12:30. I had 65 Workers and 4 Stalkers in my Main. And i couldn't hold the stimmed Bio Army with Forcefields  What can i do the next time, when i see more then 3 Rax? Only 1 Forge? 3 additional Gates before Twilight? Faster Koloss? Sry, for the bad english  | ||
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monk
United States8477 Posts
On October 01 2012 01:00 attaQue90 wrote: Hi TL, i lost to a Terran who did the Medivac Push with 5 Rax instead of 3 Rax. He had +1 and cut scvs at 50. He stimmed at 12:30. I had 65 Workers and 4 Stalkers in my Main. And i couldn't hold the stimmed Bio Army with Forcefields What can i do the next time, when i see more then 3 Rax? Only 1 Forge? 3 additional Gates before Twilight? Faster Koloss? Sry, for the bad english Yes, you need to have a colossi by that time. Read the additional notes in the past few pages as well as the very start of the guide. | ||
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covetousrat
2109 Posts
On October 01 2012 02:03 monk. wrote: Yes, you need to have a colossi by that time. Read the additional notes in the past few pages as well as the very start of the guide. Just my personal experience, if terran is 2 basing stop probes and pump units. Its easy to die to 2 base terran. | ||
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-MoOsE-
United States236 Posts
On September 16 2012 12:58 xOtit wrote: Here you go Moose: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ue7T5VAIzg&feature=relmfu Do you have an actual replay that I can look at? | ||
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name_lock
Canada30 Posts
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JCKE
United States52 Posts
On October 10 2012 02:09 name_lock wrote: How would you respond to the 5 rax 2 base all-in with vikings + scvs pulled commonly on entombed with this build? Monk's OP already covers this. You place 1-2 cannons to help defend. I imagine you also need to use FFs to buy time or cut part of the terran army. Probably should have at least 1 colo by then too. | ||
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Kinon
Romania207 Posts
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garsh0p
United States30 Posts
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eugalp
United States203 Posts
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Erik.TheRed
United States1655 Posts
On December 12 2012 02:28 eugalp wrote: Any idea why Creator seems to have stopped using this build? In recent tournaments, his go-to macro build at the moment seems to be being greedy with gas followed by an early robo bay and only getting forges about a minute or so after that. I think it has to do with more top terrans getting used to his style and hitting timings with vikings where they pull all scvs and hit before storm tech is ready. Therefore he mixes in some variety-- like building one colossus without range for a little bit of safety but then bee-lining to storm and charge (so terran over-commits to vikings and is caught off guard with your quicker tech switch). That being said, the creator style is still great and you should be able to use it on ladder successfully up through GM since it depends more on your mechanics/control/macro/scouting than the metagame or "build" itself. | ||
Teoita
Italy12248 Posts
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kcdc
United States2311 Posts
And Teoita's right--people are also dialing back on their colossus production to get templar earlier. It still seems to be more common to go colossi into templar rather than templar into colossi, but we don't see players open with 5 colossi anymore. Now they usually get 1 or 2 colossi and then switch over to storm. I'm not exactly sure why they bother with the 1 or 2 colossi. Support bay and thermal lance is lot of spending for tech you're not going to use much early on. I'd imagine it has to do with feeling safe with colossus openings and finding it difficult to go straight into templar. | ||
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Teoita
Italy12248 Posts
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Rickyvalle21
United States320 Posts
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