• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 21:08
CET 03:08
KST 11:08
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book15Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14
Community News
ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0218LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)22Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker10PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar)13
StarCraft 2
General
Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Terran Scanner Sweep Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16) PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) RSL Revival: Season 4 Korea Qualifier (Feb 14) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Season 4 announced for March-April
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 512 Overclocked Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth Mutation # 510 Safety Violation
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Gypsy to Korea Which units you wish saw more use in the game? ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/02 Liquipedia.net NEEDS editors for Brood War
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Diablo 2 thread Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ADHD And Gaming Addiction…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1660 users

[G] SPeCiaLiST's TvP Special Tactics - Page 4

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Trusty
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand520 Posts
December 07 2011 20:38 GMT
#61
On December 01 2011 15:31 SpecialistSc wrote:
C. Don’t forget to A move


This was the part that I enjoyed the most
MoreFaSho
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1427 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 17:35:43
December 08 2011 17:35 GMT
#62
On December 03 2011 01:34 avilo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2011 15:44 coL.rsvp wrote:
This is a very nice 1-1-1 variant. At least for me, the way I defend 1-1-1 is to use as few stalkers as possible, and just go mass zealot with some immo/sentry support. However, the early hellion drop forces more stalkers from the protoss player which makes the all-in that much stronger.

This build is countered in the same way a normal 1-1-1 is countered (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=250379), except the trick is to not over make stalkers and rely on zealot/immo/sentry in the face of hellions. Hellions don't really counter zealots.

Here's a game I just played against this build:

http://drop.sc/67279


A protoss player admitting that hellions suck against zealots. Praise the lord almighty, i'm glad a good level protoss finally fessed up about it on the forums, as many forum warriors will randomly come up in mech/hellion threads saying that hellions are good against zealots lmao.

Sorry, just had to comment on that, as it's a misconception that hellions are good against zealots when they actually suck.


Go to the unit tester and try 15 hellions against 10 stalkers. Hellions are really good against tier 1 protoss.

Edit: They are however pretty food inefficient.
I always try to shield slam face, just to make sure it doesnt work
TylerThaCreator
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States906 Posts
December 09 2011 02:56 GMT
#63
this build is absolutely ridiculous to play against as a protoss. kudos.

(you're still a bm jerk though)
aka SethN
Aosi
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada43 Posts
December 09 2011 03:24 GMT
#64
I just saw forGG do something just like this build, with a couple of siege tanks after helion harass. Works really well ^^
Nothing is Trivial
Specialist
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
December 11 2011 00:22 GMT
#65
I execute fairly often in my stream so you guys should check it out

justin.tv/specialistsc or specialistsc in unfeatured tl.net
seizmik
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada5 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 04:09:49
December 12 2011 04:09 GMT
#66
Thanks for this guide.. This is the first time I'm using an all-in build, and so far I have only failed once (no expo at 9mins, he had multiple sentries and I forced the ramp -.-).. For once, I'm quite happy that immortals are a waste of ressources on their part when you got 4 banshees tearing them apart.
Lemonerer
Profile Joined April 2011
Israel135 Posts
December 12 2011 06:20 GMT
#67
thx for the guide i will try this, also i have a question,

if u wall off and bunker behind it, not only u are safe against proxy gates and fast 1zealot 1stalker push, u also dont need to worry about getting a second bunker versus a 4gate.
any reason for not walling?
Specialist
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
December 12 2011 07:29 GMT
#68
On December 12 2011 15:20 Lemonerer wrote:
thx for the guide i will try this, also i have a question,

if u wall off and bunker behind it, not only u are safe against proxy gates and fast 1zealot 1stalker push, u also dont need to worry about getting a second bunker versus a 4gate.
any reason for not walling?


um I wall in... just not at the beginning
Lemonerer
Profile Joined April 2011
Israel135 Posts
December 12 2011 08:31 GMT
#69
On December 12 2011 16:29 SpecialistSc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 15:20 Lemonerer wrote:
thx for the guide i will try this, also i have a question,

if u wall off and bunker behind it, not only u are safe against proxy gates and fast 1zealot 1stalker push, u also dont need to worry about getting a second bunker versus a 4gate.
any reason for not walling?


um I wall in... just not at the beginning


yea ive seen some reps, but i mean if u wallin at the beggining it seems like it hard counters 4gate and proxy, 2 things u said u can lose to if u dont watch out

anywy going to try it thank you
Squigly
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom629 Posts
December 14 2011 02:31 GMT
#70
On December 12 2011 17:31 Lemonerer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 16:29 SpecialistSc wrote:
On December 12 2011 15:20 Lemonerer wrote:
thx for the guide i will try this, also i have a question,

if u wall off and bunker behind it, not only u are safe against proxy gates and fast 1zealot 1stalker push, u also dont need to worry about getting a second bunker versus a 4gate.
any reason for not walling?


um I wall in... just not at the beginning


yea ive seen some reps, but i mean if u wallin at the beggining it seems like it hard counters 4gate and proxy, 2 things u said u can lose to if u dont watch out

anywy going to try it thank you


Try defending a 3 gate void with a wall. Then youll see why theres no wall at the start.
Specialist
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 06:00:01
December 14 2011 05:51 GMT
#71
On December 14 2011 11:31 Squigly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 17:31 Lemonerer wrote:
On December 12 2011 16:29 SpecialistSc wrote:
On December 12 2011 15:20 Lemonerer wrote:
thx for the guide i will try this, also i have a question,

if u wall off and bunker behind it, not only u are safe against proxy gates and fast 1zealot 1stalker push, u also dont need to worry about getting a second bunker versus a 4gate.
any reason for not walling?


um I wall in... just not at the beginning


yea ive seen some reps, but i mean if u wallin at the beggining it seems like it hard counters 4gate and proxy, 2 things u said u can lose to if u dont watch out

anywy going to try it thank you


Try defending a 3 gate void with a wall. Then youll see why theres no wall at the start.


word, and also, the probe harass at the beginning is annoying when you pre-emptively wall in at the beginning
LeafBlower
Profile Joined April 2010
United States115 Posts
December 24 2011 07:58 GMT
#72
this is so annoying to play against. i've lost to it about 4 times and every single time i went in planning everything from the start knowing he would do this build. i tried one base collosus and he just waited longer and got vikings and tanks, tried phoenixes but theyre kind of pointless imo. then i tried 1 gate expanding into mass gateway units but the hellion harass ALWAYS damages me no matter what. you have to basically shut that down perfectly without losing anything to win i feel like. it sucks because everytime i knew the drop was coming but unless you just kill the medivac before he drops he will always get at least 4-5 probes or more
Bale
Profile Joined October 2010
6 Posts
January 06 2012 22:06 GMT
#73
I dont no why a wall with rax at the beginning is bad? i always wall in with rax, produce 3 marines, lift a little bit away and build a reactor. Just put a bunker in the wall and im fine and in the same situation as you.

And i think this build counters 3 gate void allin. Just cancel the medivac and produce viking/s. im fine with this.

what you are think?
Specialist
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
January 07 2012 22:42 GMT
#74
http://www.youtube.com/user/TerranSpecialistSC2?feature=mhee#p/u/0/Xi0dbf8mbTU

fpvod of me executing this build vs GM toss
Specialist
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
January 07 2012 22:43 GMT
#75
On January 07 2012 07:06 Bale wrote:
I dont no why a wall with rax at the beginning is bad? i always wall in with rax, produce 3 marines, lift a little bit away and build a reactor. Just put a bunker in the wall and im fine and in the same situation as you.

And i think this build counters 3 gate void allin. Just cancel the medivac and produce viking/s. im fine with this.

what you are think?


it's really a personal preference
Endrew
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland73 Posts
January 14 2012 21:14 GMT
#76
Wow, I can't emphasize how much I love this build

I'm mid Diamond on EU and been having huge problems with TvP lately (like 20% WR probably). With this build, for the last 2 days I only lost 1 game.(my fault, didn't lift depo in time). Finally, it's now Tosses who RQ after playing me
perser84
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany399 Posts
January 15 2012 03:48 GMT
#77
On January 08 2012 07:42 SpecialistSc wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/user/TerranSpecialistSC2?feature=mhee#p/u/0/Xi0dbf8mbTU

fpvod of me executing this build vs GM toss


good tatic worth to try it out

but lets say you cant kill 5 drones

does it mean you loose with that ?
what is if the toss builded more sentri/stalker no robo
Specialist
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
January 15 2012 09:10 GMT
#78
On January 15 2012 06:14 Endrew wrote:
Wow, I can't emphasize how much I love this build

I'm mid Diamond on EU and been having huge problems with TvP lately (like 20% WR probably). With this build, for the last 2 days I only lost 1 game.(my fault, didn't lift depo in time). Finally, it's now Tosses who RQ after playing me


ty hopefully more ppl will try this out!
Specialist
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
January 15 2012 09:10 GMT
#79
On January 15 2012 12:48 perser84 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 07:42 SpecialistSc wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/user/TerranSpecialistSC2?feature=mhee#p/u/0/Xi0dbf8mbTU

fpvod of me executing this build vs GM toss


good tatic worth to try it out

but lets say you cant kill 5 drones

does it mean you loose with that ?
what is if the toss builded more sentri/stalker no robo



no you can still come back with scv push
and for 2nd q, then it's easy win
c0se
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany148 Posts
January 26 2012 01:21 GMT
#80
wow this build is sick. 13-1 against protoss since i'm using this build. The only time i lost was due to my bad reaction to a warpprism 4gate. But i managed to win against that in some other games too. Dont know what protoss can do tbh. This build is just melting through them.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiG Sty Festival
00:40
Final Tiebreaker Qualifier
Creator vs Nicoract
TBD vs YoungYakov
PiGStarcraft419
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft419
SteadfastSC 121
StarCraft: Brood War
NaDa 56
Noble 14
Dota 2
LuMiX0
Counter-Strike
taco 311
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0429
Mew2King164
Other Games
tarik_tv22090
summit1g9667
shahzam370
JimRising 309
ToD144
ViBE72
JuggernautJason11
minikerr11
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick746
BasetradeTV83
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 82
• musti20045 25
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2990
League of Legends
• Scarra2061
• Stunt248
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
53m
RSL Revival
5h 53m
LiuLi Cup
8h 53m
Cure vs Reynor
Clem vs Maru
Rogue vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Serral
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
9h 53m
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
14h 48m
RSL Revival
15h 53m
AI Arena Tournament
17h 53m
Replay Cast
21h 53m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 7h
LiuLi Cup
1d 8h
[ Show More ]
Ladder Legends
1d 15h
Replay Cast
1d 21h
Replay Cast
2 days
LiuLi Cup
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
OSC
2 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
PiG Sty Festival
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
KCM Race Survival
5 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
PiG Sty Festival
6 days
Epic.LAN
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S1: W8
Rongyi Cup S3
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round Qualifier
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
WardiTV Winter 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.