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Trusty
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand520 Posts
December 07 2011 20:38 GMT
#61
On December 01 2011 15:31 SpecialistSc wrote:
C. Don’t forget to A move


This was the part that I enjoyed the most
MoreFaSho
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1427 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 17:35:43
December 08 2011 17:35 GMT
#62
On December 03 2011 01:34 avilo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2011 15:44 coL.rsvp wrote:
This is a very nice 1-1-1 variant. At least for me, the way I defend 1-1-1 is to use as few stalkers as possible, and just go mass zealot with some immo/sentry support. However, the early hellion drop forces more stalkers from the protoss player which makes the all-in that much stronger.

This build is countered in the same way a normal 1-1-1 is countered (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=250379), except the trick is to not over make stalkers and rely on zealot/immo/sentry in the face of hellions. Hellions don't really counter zealots.

Here's a game I just played against this build:

http://drop.sc/67279


A protoss player admitting that hellions suck against zealots. Praise the lord almighty, i'm glad a good level protoss finally fessed up about it on the forums, as many forum warriors will randomly come up in mech/hellion threads saying that hellions are good against zealots lmao.

Sorry, just had to comment on that, as it's a misconception that hellions are good against zealots when they actually suck.


Go to the unit tester and try 15 hellions against 10 stalkers. Hellions are really good against tier 1 protoss.

Edit: They are however pretty food inefficient.
I always try to shield slam face, just to make sure it doesnt work
TylerThaCreator
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States906 Posts
December 09 2011 02:56 GMT
#63
this build is absolutely ridiculous to play against as a protoss. kudos.

(you're still a bm jerk though)
aka SethN
Aosi
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada43 Posts
December 09 2011 03:24 GMT
#64
I just saw forGG do something just like this build, with a couple of siege tanks after helion harass. Works really well ^^
Nothing is Trivial
Specialist
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
December 11 2011 00:22 GMT
#65
I execute fairly often in my stream so you guys should check it out

justin.tv/specialistsc or specialistsc in unfeatured tl.net
seizmik
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada5 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 04:09:49
December 12 2011 04:09 GMT
#66
Thanks for this guide.. This is the first time I'm using an all-in build, and so far I have only failed once (no expo at 9mins, he had multiple sentries and I forced the ramp -.-).. For once, I'm quite happy that immortals are a waste of ressources on their part when you got 4 banshees tearing them apart.
Lemonerer
Profile Joined April 2011
Israel135 Posts
December 12 2011 06:20 GMT
#67
thx for the guide i will try this, also i have a question,

if u wall off and bunker behind it, not only u are safe against proxy gates and fast 1zealot 1stalker push, u also dont need to worry about getting a second bunker versus a 4gate.
any reason for not walling?
Specialist
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
December 12 2011 07:29 GMT
#68
On December 12 2011 15:20 Lemonerer wrote:
thx for the guide i will try this, also i have a question,

if u wall off and bunker behind it, not only u are safe against proxy gates and fast 1zealot 1stalker push, u also dont need to worry about getting a second bunker versus a 4gate.
any reason for not walling?


um I wall in... just not at the beginning
Lemonerer
Profile Joined April 2011
Israel135 Posts
December 12 2011 08:31 GMT
#69
On December 12 2011 16:29 SpecialistSc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 15:20 Lemonerer wrote:
thx for the guide i will try this, also i have a question,

if u wall off and bunker behind it, not only u are safe against proxy gates and fast 1zealot 1stalker push, u also dont need to worry about getting a second bunker versus a 4gate.
any reason for not walling?


um I wall in... just not at the beginning


yea ive seen some reps, but i mean if u wallin at the beggining it seems like it hard counters 4gate and proxy, 2 things u said u can lose to if u dont watch out

anywy going to try it thank you
Squigly
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom629 Posts
December 14 2011 02:31 GMT
#70
On December 12 2011 17:31 Lemonerer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 16:29 SpecialistSc wrote:
On December 12 2011 15:20 Lemonerer wrote:
thx for the guide i will try this, also i have a question,

if u wall off and bunker behind it, not only u are safe against proxy gates and fast 1zealot 1stalker push, u also dont need to worry about getting a second bunker versus a 4gate.
any reason for not walling?


um I wall in... just not at the beginning


yea ive seen some reps, but i mean if u wallin at the beggining it seems like it hard counters 4gate and proxy, 2 things u said u can lose to if u dont watch out

anywy going to try it thank you


Try defending a 3 gate void with a wall. Then youll see why theres no wall at the start.
Specialist
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 06:00:01
December 14 2011 05:51 GMT
#71
On December 14 2011 11:31 Squigly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 17:31 Lemonerer wrote:
On December 12 2011 16:29 SpecialistSc wrote:
On December 12 2011 15:20 Lemonerer wrote:
thx for the guide i will try this, also i have a question,

if u wall off and bunker behind it, not only u are safe against proxy gates and fast 1zealot 1stalker push, u also dont need to worry about getting a second bunker versus a 4gate.
any reason for not walling?


um I wall in... just not at the beginning


yea ive seen some reps, but i mean if u wallin at the beggining it seems like it hard counters 4gate and proxy, 2 things u said u can lose to if u dont watch out

anywy going to try it thank you


Try defending a 3 gate void with a wall. Then youll see why theres no wall at the start.


word, and also, the probe harass at the beginning is annoying when you pre-emptively wall in at the beginning
LeafBlower
Profile Joined April 2010
United States115 Posts
December 24 2011 07:58 GMT
#72
this is so annoying to play against. i've lost to it about 4 times and every single time i went in planning everything from the start knowing he would do this build. i tried one base collosus and he just waited longer and got vikings and tanks, tried phoenixes but theyre kind of pointless imo. then i tried 1 gate expanding into mass gateway units but the hellion harass ALWAYS damages me no matter what. you have to basically shut that down perfectly without losing anything to win i feel like. it sucks because everytime i knew the drop was coming but unless you just kill the medivac before he drops he will always get at least 4-5 probes or more
Bale
Profile Joined October 2010
6 Posts
January 06 2012 22:06 GMT
#73
I dont no why a wall with rax at the beginning is bad? i always wall in with rax, produce 3 marines, lift a little bit away and build a reactor. Just put a bunker in the wall and im fine and in the same situation as you.

And i think this build counters 3 gate void allin. Just cancel the medivac and produce viking/s. im fine with this.

what you are think?
Specialist
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
January 07 2012 22:42 GMT
#74
http://www.youtube.com/user/TerranSpecialistSC2?feature=mhee#p/u/0/Xi0dbf8mbTU

fpvod of me executing this build vs GM toss
Specialist
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
January 07 2012 22:43 GMT
#75
On January 07 2012 07:06 Bale wrote:
I dont no why a wall with rax at the beginning is bad? i always wall in with rax, produce 3 marines, lift a little bit away and build a reactor. Just put a bunker in the wall and im fine and in the same situation as you.

And i think this build counters 3 gate void allin. Just cancel the medivac and produce viking/s. im fine with this.

what you are think?


it's really a personal preference
Endrew
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland73 Posts
January 14 2012 21:14 GMT
#76
Wow, I can't emphasize how much I love this build

I'm mid Diamond on EU and been having huge problems with TvP lately (like 20% WR probably). With this build, for the last 2 days I only lost 1 game.(my fault, didn't lift depo in time). Finally, it's now Tosses who RQ after playing me
perser84
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany399 Posts
January 15 2012 03:48 GMT
#77
On January 08 2012 07:42 SpecialistSc wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/user/TerranSpecialistSC2?feature=mhee#p/u/0/Xi0dbf8mbTU

fpvod of me executing this build vs GM toss


good tatic worth to try it out

but lets say you cant kill 5 drones

does it mean you loose with that ?
what is if the toss builded more sentri/stalker no robo
Specialist
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
January 15 2012 09:10 GMT
#78
On January 15 2012 06:14 Endrew wrote:
Wow, I can't emphasize how much I love this build

I'm mid Diamond on EU and been having huge problems with TvP lately (like 20% WR probably). With this build, for the last 2 days I only lost 1 game.(my fault, didn't lift depo in time). Finally, it's now Tosses who RQ after playing me


ty hopefully more ppl will try this out!
Specialist
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
January 15 2012 09:10 GMT
#79
On January 15 2012 12:48 perser84 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 07:42 SpecialistSc wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/user/TerranSpecialistSC2?feature=mhee#p/u/0/Xi0dbf8mbTU

fpvod of me executing this build vs GM toss


good tatic worth to try it out

but lets say you cant kill 5 drones

does it mean you loose with that ?
what is if the toss builded more sentri/stalker no robo



no you can still come back with scv push
and for 2nd q, then it's easy win
c0se
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany148 Posts
January 26 2012 01:21 GMT
#80
wow this build is sick. 13-1 against protoss since i'm using this build. The only time i lost was due to my bad reaction to a warpprism 4gate. But i managed to win against that in some other games too. Dont know what protoss can do tbh. This build is just melting through them.
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