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Specialist
United States803 Posts
On December 01 2011 18:29 Tailss wrote: So no starport and banshee if he goes for 1gate fe or nexus first? yea for nexus first it depends on the map and the distance of the rush, for 1 gate fe | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
E. Force fields – pdd hard counters it Uh...how so? | ||
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
with force field you have to move extra close to shoot ground army & banshees and hinders zealots to do any dmg it's trivial tho | ||
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Zoku
307 Posts
On December 01 2011 17:10 LiLu wrote: I go 2 rax reactor marines + tank rush with 3-4 tanks instead Do you mean the kind of 2 rax tank push MVP does a lot? Or 2 barracks both with reactors and push with 3-4 tanks? | ||
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
On December 01 2011 18:56 Zoku wrote: Do you mean the kind of 2 rax tank push MVP does a lot? Or 2 barracks both with reactors and push with 3-4 tanks? i use latter one (MKP used to do it a lot) | ||
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Zoku
307 Posts
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
On December 01 2011 18:59 Zoku wrote: Also, a side note. Aren't you part of convergence gaming? I found this recent rep, just for you. http://drop.sc/67057 No i'm not affilated to CVG, whatsoever. | ||
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Zoku
307 Posts
http://www.z33k.com/starcraft2/tournaments/3807/matches/136627 | ||
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
On December 01 2011 19:13 Zoku wrote: Sorry if i sound grilling, but didn't u play for them in the z33k team series? http://www.z33k.com/starcraft2/tournaments/3807/matches/136627 ya i left | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
- 1 gate FE - nexus first | ||
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
On December 01 2011 19:30 Snowbear wrote: Nice build. Can you provide replays against: - 1 gate FE - nexus first I usually do this, http://drop.sc/67057 | ||
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SourCheeks
United States23 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=146518 | ||
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rsvp
United States2266 Posts
This build is countered in the same way a normal 1-1-1 is countered (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=250379), except the trick is to not over make stalkers and rely on zealot/immo/sentry in the face of hellions. Hellions don't really counter zealots. Here's a game I just played against this build: http://drop.sc/67279 | ||
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Avril_Lavigne
United States446 Posts
 http://drop.sc/67307 | ||
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Tazerenix
Australia340 Posts
On December 02 2011 15:44 coL.rsvp wrote: This is a very nice 1-1-1 variant. At least for me, the way I defend 1-1-1 is to use as few stalkers as possible, and just go mass zealot with some immo/sentry support. However, the early hellion drop forces more stalkers from the protoss player which makes the all-in that much stronger. This build is countered in the same way a normal 1-1-1 is countered (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=250379), except the trick is to not over make stalkers and rely on zealot/immo/sentry in the face of hellions. Hellions don't really counter zealots. Here's a game I just played against this build: http://drop.sc/67279 From my recent discussion with SEA GM players i've learned that apparently mass blink stalker is actually the best way to deal with the 1-1-1, and even more so with a hellion variant. You can sit there and pick off marines and such and just blink away without taking damage, potentially forcing the pdd in the middle of the map. And even when they plant the pdd down, with 20 or more stalkers you can actually focus it down in 2 shots. Since this push doesn't have any tanks, the amount of damage you take from the marines and hellions will be so small (with good micro) that you can potentially ruin the whole push right in the middle of the map. | ||
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pingy[wen]
United States157 Posts
On December 02 2011 17:15 Tazerenix wrote: From my recent discussion with SEA GM players i've learned that apparently mass blink stalker is actually the best way to deal with the 1-1-1, and even more so with a hellion variant. You can sit there and pick off marines and such and just blink away without taking damage, potentially forcing the pdd in the middle of the map. And even when they plant the pdd down, with 20 or more stalkers you can actually focus it down in 2 shots. Since this push doesn't have any tanks, the amount of damage you take from the marines and hellions will be so small (with good micro) that you can potentially ruin the whole push right in the middle of the map. Could you produce a replay with this counter? I am skeptically a little bit. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On December 02 2011 15:44 coL.rsvp wrote: This is a very nice 1-1-1 variant. At least for me, the way I defend 1-1-1 is to use as few stalkers as possible, and just go mass zealot with some immo/sentry support. However, the early hellion drop forces more stalkers from the protoss player which makes the all-in that much stronger. This build is countered in the same way a normal 1-1-1 is countered (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=250379), except the trick is to not over make stalkers and rely on zealot/immo/sentry in the face of hellions. Hellions don't really counter zealots. Here's a game I just played against this build: http://drop.sc/67279 A protoss player admitting that hellions suck against zealots. Praise the lord almighty, i'm glad a good level protoss finally fessed up about it on the forums, as many forum warriors will randomly come up in mech/hellion threads saying that hellions are good against zealots lmao. Sorry, just had to comment on that, as it's a misconception that hellions are good against zealots when they actually suck. | ||
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kcdc
United States2311 Posts
On December 03 2011 01:34 avilo wrote: A protoss player admitting that hellions suck against zealots. Praise the lord almighty, i'm glad a good level protoss finally fessed up about it on the forums, as many forum warriors will randomly come up in mech/hellion threads saying that hellions are good against zealots lmao. Sorry, just had to comment on that, as it's a misconception that hellions are good against zealots when they actually suck. Hellions without pre-ignitor in small numbers don't really counter moderate numbers of zealots when both compositions are mixed. In larger numbers and with pre-ignitor, the zealots melt. For a 10 minute timing attack with mostly marines and banshees, a few hellions don't deter a zealot composition. | ||
monk
United States8477 Posts
On December 03 2011 01:48 kcdc wrote: Hellions without pre-ignitor in small numbers don't really counter moderate numbers of zealots when both compositions are mixed. In larger numbers and with pre-ignitor, the zealots melt. For a 10 minute timing attack with mostly marines and banshees, a few hellions don't deter a zealot composition. Disagree here. Ever since the Bfh nerf, zealots can do pretty well vs hellions in a mech composition. Even goody has said that mech isn't viable anymore. | ||
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statikg
Canada930 Posts
I actually got 4gated the other day for the first time in like a month, caught me completely off gaurd and exposed my lazy scouting of 1gas = expand. | ||
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