[G] PvZ HerOic FFE - Page 5

On November 24 2011 13:50 Alejandrisha wrote:

i'll have a friend of mine 6pool me and i'll upload it in the near future

On November 24 2011 23:36 OrbitalPlane wrote:
You always hear that FFE is way more economical than 1 gate FE. I tested it with a build order planer:
Feel free to improve the builds. The chrono timings might be slightly off. Builds are without army units.

FFE
http://www.sc2planner.com/#PaaaoCafaafaoEaaaaoAoDoGoCaafaoBoBoFfaaccfaafaaaaoCaafafaoCaaafafaaaaaaaffaa

1 Gate FE
http://www.sc2planner.com/#PaaaoCafaaaoDfaaoBacfaoCoFaaoBacaafaoCafaoCafaaoAfaaaaafaafa

The result at 7 min for FFE compared to 1 gate FE is:
+60 mins
-320 gas
+7 probs
+1 forge
+1 canon

So seems definitly worth it to FEE. But i personally don't like to do it on maps with open natural. I think even with 2 canons its hard to defend all ins, like we saw in the MLG finals...

On November 27 2011 05:35 Arisen wrote:
I highly recommend people try HerO's PvZ style out, and this is a really nice intro guide into his style. I think a great game for people trying to learn HerO's style is his series vs Sheth in the dreamhack winter 2011 ro16(or 8?). HerO's a genius with this harass; he reminds me a bit of Jaedong, he just demands control of the game with his awesome micro and speed and when he can dictate that control, he just looks unstoppable PvZ.

On November 27 2011 07:15 Alejandrisha wrote:

You can. You won't do anything vs 2/3 base roach in that case, but if he is only pure ling you can still do damage and force additional lings. If you can't get any pylons up you should, in desperation, try to establish a somewhat closer one with the zealot(s) you made from your GW

On November 28 2011 16:11 Canopus wrote:
I'm a mid masters protoss and have been playing this build for about a week. I read your response to 3 base roach zerg and it sounds grimm. I'm noticing a competent zerg can prevent you from killing the 3rd (even with a very close pylon), and your listed response is warp prism harras with dts and zealots to try and snipe buildings. I don't like this response because if the zerg doesn't make mistakes your going to lose. Your basically hoping for the zerg to screw up. Have you found any other responses that work? I've won a few games by responding with a very fast 3rd, but I feel as though a strong player will kill you in that window.

On December 01 2011 08:27 bankai wrote:


I am also having problems with 3 base roach. On maps like Meta where the third is close, the roaches can easily walk over and deny the zealot harass.

DT has worked to some extent but sometimes they blindly drop spores and deny that too,

Anyone know how to play against 3-base roach where the 3rd is early?

Also, how do you know when its safe to take a third yourself against this? I have faced so many roach into muta transitions, its really hard to deal with. I want to go Colossus against Roach, but then Muta would be hard to stop.

On December 02 2011 08:51 iSTime wrote:


I haven't really played much of the really early WP+DT stuff, but I often open similarly up until the robo+twilight+zealot harass. I think getting blink and collossi is a much easier way to play. You can easily take a 3rd against 3 base roach at around 13 minutes, with 2 collossi out. Dealing with the mutas that often follow the roach opening just requires a good sense of when mutas will come. Make 1-2 cannons and move blink stalkers into position at that time.

Like canopus said, you can't kill their 3rd base even with a close pylon if they have roaches up in time. However, you can pull back your 7-8 zealots without losing many, and warp in 4 stalkers to force even more roaches+lings. Unless they make a lot of speedlings in addition to the roaches, you should get away without losing many units. Even if they have enough speedlings to catch your units, I think the harass is almost always worth it economically.

On December 02 2011 14:39 iSTime wrote:


My experience is that the bolded is not true. The stalkers aren't really there to deny the 3rd, they're mostly there to scare the zerg into overproducing units and maybe kill a roach or two. I don't think you should ever be able to kill the 3rd base against a player who makes roaches, the purpose is just to force non-drones. It is acceptable for your 3rd to be placed later than theirs as long as you are keeping up on workers and being cost-effective with harass.

On December 01 2011 08:27 bankai wrote:


I am also having problems with 3 base roach. On maps like Meta where the third is close, the roaches can easily walk over and deny the zealot harass.

DT has worked to some extent but sometimes they blindly drop spores and deny that too,

Anyone know how to play against 3-base roach where the 3rd is early?