EPT[G] Grandmaster by 6pooling, how to - Page 32
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2v2_BM
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anoxys
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Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
even tho i have to admit 2 terrans just closed their chokes before leaving  | ||
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akalarry
United States1978 Posts
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Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
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Bluerain
United States348 Posts
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Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
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JDub
United States976 Posts
On December 01 2011 02:30 akalarry wrote: o rly? o_Osome of them do 1 rax fe so they'll put down an early supply depot and also 2 rax which is an instant loss. | ||
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akalarry
United States1978 Posts
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akalarry
United States1978 Posts
On December 01 2011 02:41 JDub wrote: o rly? o_O what do u mean? | ||
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LastDance
New Zealand510 Posts
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Zeiasweigha
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chingchong99
Nauru64 Posts
On December 01 2011 02:57 Zeiasweigha wrote: I've been mixing my games using this strategy and I must thank Bad_Habit for teaching us. A lot of people might say its garbage but it really does play mind games to a lot of people especially if I meet them again in ladder. If you watched MLG (Hero vs Ret), Hero was able to abuse Ret by sometimes going even Nexus first knowing that Ret would always be in macro mode. If Ret has a strategy similar to this, he could take a game from his opponent which is huge in a tournament and it might also play mind games in his opponent playing the next set. Though some people would argue that its very risky and cheap, I'd still believe that Ret (or other macro players) will be able to catch a lot of players by surprise and get an easy win. I'd have to admit though that when HoTS is released, this is going to be harder to pull off against Protoss. Nexus first is standard in PvZ when facing 14 pool or later. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
On December 01 2011 00:49 anoxys wrote: I am a protoss player, tried the 6 pool thing with zerg and is totally garbage. Even in platinum morons close up before scouting . From 10 games with rush i lost 10. replays? you must be doing something wrong if u managed to lose 10/10. | ||
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Zeiasweigha
57 Posts
On December 01 2011 04:43 chingchong99 wrote: Nexus first is standard in PvZ when facing 14 pool or later. Yes and Hero was very confident in using that build because he knows Ret will not be aggressive making this 6 pool strategy more viable for him. If Ret would use this against him and win, there is a chance that Hero will hesitate to go Nexus first again in the next game (will depend on the map though). | ||
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Geiko
France2036 Posts
On December 01 2011 07:09 Zeiasweigha wrote: Yes and Hero was very confident in using that build because he knows Ret will not be aggressive making this 6 pool strategy more viable for him. If Ret would use this against him and win, there is a chance that Hero will hesitate to go Nexus first again in the next game (will depend on the map though). You didn't understand the poster above you. Hero never goes blind nexus first. He does it when he is able to scout 14 pool or later in time. Knowing that Ret might cheese or not has nothing to do with whether or not he will go Nexus first. | ||
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Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
On December 01 2011 07:21 Geiko wrote: You didn't understand the poster above you. Hero never goes blind nexus first. He does it when he is able to scout 14 pool or later in time. Knowing that Ret might cheese or not has nothing to do with whether or not he will go Nexus first. hero sets up blind 15 nexus from time to time. he doesnt bother to send a 2nd probe scout if he doesnt find his oponnent at the first position. the least thing it would do is that he would doublescout after he got early pooled once. the eco 7 pool is a perfect method, ull push ahead by just killing 1 worker and the obendened forge+ pylon. he can even suicide his lings in the minerals before the cannon finishes, then send 4 drones to denie the cannon on the lower ground and build 2 more sets of lings on 18 supply (after building hatch + overlord) to take down the buildings ^_^ even tho i have to say my 4 worker harass vs terra is really doing well right now, i made alot of progress in timings etc. i feel like it always pushes me far ahead and im like never behind. playing with this 4 worker harass i set up my expension on 16 supply (if i dont lose worker while harassing) and build my pool on 18/18, playing gasless for a while. will probably add something about it to the mainpost the next few days (with replays) | ||
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Zeiasweigha
57 Posts
On December 01 2011 07:21 Geiko wrote: You didn't understand the poster above you. Hero never goes blind nexus first. He does it when he is able to scout 14 pool or later in time. Knowing that Ret might cheese or not has nothing to do with whether or not he will go Nexus first. Hero did blind 15 nexus -> forge in game 1 (Antiga Shipyard) and 3 (Metalopolis) against Ret. I've used this strategy in both of these maps and defeated people going forge first, what more going nexus first? Of course the skill of Hero against my opponents are not even comparable but I really think it was an easy win for Ret if he would take a risk and punish Hero for going nexus first. Also, Hero knows Ret won't cheese after playing against him numerous times when practicing and Ret should take advantage of that situation. I don't think Hero would go blind 15 nexus if he knows Ret is capable of doing 6 pools or similar builds unless the map makes him get away with it. | ||
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Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
On December 01 2011 14:09 Zeiasweigha wrote: Hero did blind 15 nexus -> forge in game 1 (Antiga Shipyard) and 3 (Metalopolis) against Ret. I've used this strategy in both of these maps and defeated people going forge first, what more going nexus first? Of course the skill of Hero against my opponents are not even comparable but I really think it was an easy win for Ret if he would take a risk and punish Hero for going nexus first. Also, Hero knows Ret won't cheese after playing against him numerous times when practicing and Ret should take advantage of that situation. I don't think Hero would go blind 15 nexus if he knows Ret is capable of doing 6 pools or similar builds unless the map makes him get away with it. completly agree | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On December 01 2011 14:09 Zeiasweigha wrote: Hero did blind 15 nexus -> forge in game 1 (Antiga Shipyard) and 3 (Metalopolis) against Ret. I've used this strategy in both of these maps and defeated people going forge first, what more going nexus first? Of course the skill of Hero against my opponents are not even comparable but I really think it was an easy win for Ret if he would take a risk and punish Hero for going nexus first. Also, Hero knows Ret won't cheese after playing against him numerous times when practicing and Ret should take advantage of that situation. I don't think Hero would go blind 15 nexus if he knows Ret is capable of doing 6 pools or similar builds unless the map makes him get away with it. But Ret on the other hand doesn't know whether hero will go blind nexus first or early scout+ nexus first, so again a 6pool is also just a "blind" 6pool. (as there is no other 6pool I put it in "") Also you can't "punish" something with 6pool. Punishment requires knowledge about what your opponent does. | ||
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