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Yeah, fortunately though it's not part of the current metagame 
They see zealots and they'll get roaches. I think that's the only weakness of this build and the only workaround I can do there is when I see ALOT of lings even though I have +1 zealots, I will need to decide if:
1. The player is good and he knows that baneling would crush this. (This makes me try to get as much sentries as I could, really hard to defend still since WG tech won't be done in time and probably just barely enough sentries to defend once the push comes, doable but hard to pull off)
2. The player is bad and didn't see the +1 on the zealots. (Play normally)
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On October 06 2011 06:33 Micks wrote:Yeah, fortunately though it's not part of the current metagame They see zealots and they'll get roaches. I think that's the only weakness of this build and the only workaround I can do there is when I see ALOT of lings even though I have +1 zealots, I will need to decide if: 1. The player is good and he knows that baneling would crush this. (This makes me try to get as much sentries as I could, really hard to defend still since WG tech won't be done in time and probably just barely enough sentries to defend once the push comes, doable but hard to pull off) 2. The player is bad and didn't see the +1 on the zealots. (Play normally)
That's true, although personally I'm gonna stop doing this exact build - it has a hard counter (banelings), and our build is too easily scouted. It would be fine if it didn't have a hard counter.
It was fun though! perhaps something to pull out in a BoX
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Awesome build/guide dude, just won a ladder game with it. You can tell the zerg is thinking, "wtf is he doing" haha thanks so much.
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AegonC,
DUDE YOUR QUOTE!!
AMEN
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Yup, baneling definitely hard counters this. Even if you're able to defend it, you need precision FF and micro to be able to fend it off. Just like how MMA defends on his TvZ (1bunker+scvs vs roachling all-in by July).
For me, if I get an impression from my games that I could pull off a perfect defense most of the time, I'm going to practice this build so I could get a solid opener vs Z. It would be very useful especially in tournaments when you could pull this out as one of your openers.
But yes, I wouldn't call this a standard opener since it has a hard counter. It would be a nice "opener" for you that you could pull out every now and then once you've mastered it though.
It is a good solid build that doesn't die to anything aside from 1 base play from Z (which doesn't usually happen) or 2 base baneling (the hard counter). If you could master the defense for 2 base baneling with this build then you could definitely use this in tournaments.
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On October 06 2011 07:45 child7of7christ wrote:AegonC, DUDE YOUR QUOTE!! AMEN
Haha its always awesome to find a Brother in Christ on TL :D
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On October 06 2011 08:48 AegonC wrote:Haha its always awesome to find a Brother in Christ on TL :D
Indeed, i wasn't sure if there was anyone who believes in Jesus on SC lol,
made me glad though to see your quote and you
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Sorry to bump an older thread, but I had to personally thank you Crow! I really like this build for close positions and it has gotten me some awesome results!
Here's a recent replay with some shocking results... good times!
PvZ Gateway Forge Carnage
Final tally of how many kills vs how many zealots I lost... + Show Spoiler +53 kills and no zealots fall (if i did my math right)
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On October 22 2011 11:54 OckhamzRazor wrote:Sorry to bump an older thread, but I had to personally thank you Crow! I really like this build for close positions and it has gotten me some awesome results! Here's a recent replay with some shocking results... good times! PvZ Gateway Forge CarnageFinal tally of how many kills vs how many zealots I lost... + Show Spoiler +53 kills and no zealots fall (if i did my math right)
Roffles, my jaw dropped at the end, and probably so did his. That was a massacre.
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I love this build. Thanks for sharing it! I have been outright killing people and making them angry. It is a really cool way to expand without investing many resources on some maps where ffe is not the greatest. I personally like to get a stargate after securing the natural because it seems like people always want to rush muta when they see my core is so delayed.
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This is outright the second dumbest build I've ever done (the first being Kiwikaki's FFE -> 2gate zealot -> 2 stargate before WG), but it's hilarious because it works. If they don't go roach they die, if they do go roach I normally just go 7gate stalker and win because they're on 2 base. I'm sure it doesn't work against smart people who go banelings, but holy crap, a very fun build to play around with  the scary part is the roach counterattack when WG is so late but with good simcity/cannon placement if you live through it the game is yours!
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On October 06 2011 20:40 child7of7christ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 08:48 AegonC wrote:On October 06 2011 07:45 child7of7christ wrote:AegonC, DUDE YOUR QUOTE!! AMEN Haha its always awesome to find a Brother in Christ on TL :D Indeed, i wasn't sure if there was anyone who believes in Jesus on SC lol, made me glad though to see your quote and you
Why to believe in Christ when Xel-nagas have created him? (=Ironicly said you are totaly out of topic and if you wanna ... about Christ, go to church bro, or send that second guy message, and do not spam this forum like total dumb)
Back to topic, this strategy looks sorta wierd, maybe that will work. If Banelings bust is scouted, I think its as easy to defend as normal expand, you just have to cut probes...(cutting probes against all-in is required most times, when all-in is not screwed by one who preform it) but problem is that zerglings deny scouting EZ, once they are out, and it is really hard to scout anything until later-phases of middle game (obs, hallu). I will test this build, it looks kinda solid, but what I dont like about it is that you will really have to spend lot of money on cannons if enemy is doing something cheesy, in order to defend, instead of stalker which will be pretty delayed... I will need to give try really...
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