EPTin BW, you just had to put in the practice to understand the game and have good enough mechanics to win. in sc2, you can win games just by "executing builds" rather than deeply understanding the ins and outs of the game. Not to mention there are hundreds of little "exploits", much like this one, that are freewins. it would be awesome if people were forced to really work on their mechanical skill and game sense and understanding to be successful, unfortunately that is not the case right now.
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SeRenExZerg
United States401 Posts
in BW, you just had to put in the practice to understand the game and have good enough mechanics to win. in sc2, you can win games just by "executing builds" rather than deeply understanding the ins and outs of the game. Not to mention there are hundreds of little "exploits", much like this one, that are freewins. it would be awesome if people were forced to really work on their mechanical skill and game sense and understanding to be successful, unfortunately that is not the case right now. | ||
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Yoman
United States11 Posts
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H2OSno
United States127 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:16 Yoman wrote: Umm, what about spinecrawlers at the top of the ramp? I feel that would shut down this walling bs pretty quickly. especially if you throw a few banelings in. You most definitely cannot even get a pool down before the pylons finish, much less banelings. | ||
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Lesmoth
United States4 Posts
On September 15 2011 00:37 transience wrote: The best thing about the OP is his reference to the drone drill trick as "bullshit" - in a guide to the 3 pylon wall-in. My thoughts exactly. | ||
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jykim171
United States2 Posts
happy gaming everyone! | ||
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MorningStar616
United States2 Posts
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SpoR
United States1542 Posts
On September 21 2011 05:58 SeRenExZerg wrote: the fact that people can take wins with this, as well as the fact that people WANT to take wins with this, makes me fear for starcraft 2. cheesy/abusive builds are still FAR too effective for my (and i assume many others) liking. in BW, you just had to put in the practice to understand the game and have good enough mechanics to win. in sc2, you can win games just by "executing builds" rather than deeply understanding the ins and outs of the game. Not to mention there are hundreds of little "exploits", much like this one, that are freewins. it would be awesome if people were forced to really work on their mechanical skill and game sense and understanding to be successful, unfortunately that is not the case right now. All you gotta do is make a few roaches and start working on the pylons. Can even use your queen. Meanwhile making indoor hatch and mass speedling and roach to nydus somewhere (doesnt need to be inside his base) just smash his expansion or something. ps What is the amazing drone drill? Drones can get through the pylons or something? | ||
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lazydino
Canada331 Posts
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An-Epic-Sanji
Sweden62 Posts
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Gen_Syntax
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TemujinGK
United States483 Posts
Just a few things: 'r' is not a word, you are most probably looking for the word 'are' however 'our' also has a similar phonetic emphasis so 'r' is insufficient. A similar statement could be made about 'ur'. "this works really good against" was a line from your text. I'm sure you mean to say "this works very well against." Let us start with these three english lessons. To your actual post: When you advocate 'cheeses' like this, it ruins the metagame of one of the greatest RTSs to grace this world as of yet. Please consider removing your account from Teamliquid and also Starcraft 2. I hope that you consider doing both, and if you don't please keep your inane strategies to yourself. Not only are you proving that I can demonstrate your IQ on one hand by explaining the simplest of strategies, but you are also revealing your astronomical hubris by assuming that people couldn't possibly know this strategy without your assistance. Please delete your OP, it disgraces the game. Much Obliged. EDIT: to defeat this garbage from players of no worth like the original poster, here is a video of breaking the pylon block easily and quickly: | ||
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Shintuku
Canada76 Posts
On September 21 2011 10:02 Gen_Syntax wrote: its funny how much i encounter this on ladder (Plat level)...i just patrol a drone at the ramp whenever i see the scout coming...its hard to stop when good players do this though...its just funny how people respond to posts on TL esp with 80% win rate... When this happens, I like to pylon block the upper ramp and get a canon on the low ground while getting additional pylons going on the lower ramp if necessary. | ||
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TemujinGK
United States483 Posts
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Br3ezy
United States720 Posts
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Gelenn
United States87 Posts
If you spend all your time working out gimmicky builds like this one, well then of course you're going to get smashed in a macro game. You gimmicked your way to Master's so obviously your macro is going to pale in comparison to your opponents. That's all I have to say about that. | ||
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Conquerer67
United States605 Posts
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
So throw down a hatchery at your ramp instead of getting ling speed and a queen right away. Now you can continue droning and have 2 queens up on 3 hatches ready to all-in as soon as your natural finishes or take a 2rd expansion. His expansion will be up before yours, but you will have stronger production and economy once your natural finishes. So why don't you just do that every game against FFE? Because it's bad! Just theory crafting here but has anyone ever tried canceling the hatch at the natural so you get your 300 mineral back, building the hatch at the top of your ramp then canceling it and building a spine crawler on left over creep. Then once your queen is out put down a creep tumor to save the spine crawler from dieing. This would get you a spine crawler up hitting the wall faster to break the contain and would cost less mineral then what the protoss sunk into the contain. Like i said i never tried it but kinda sounds like it might be an ok response. Your losing 1/4 of the money every cancel, and then the cost of a spine. There's a reason why people never make spines against FFE, it's because it puts you really far behind economically. The only options for Zerg is to 1 base all-in, which is weak and luck based, 2 base tech based build (which is weak, puts you behind a protoss doing a 2 base tech based build, and protoss will do it faster, ie 7 gate blink finishes before infestors), or a 3 base fast third econ build, which puts you even and can put you ahead if you hold off his pressure (and he doesn't take a third during it). You can only drone drill on certain positions on certain maps, and Protoss will be in control. They can either add to the wall in, or stop, either way they will end up ahead economically. You need to pull just every drone to drone drill, while even though Protoss spends a lot of money, they are mining the entire time. They make a lot more than 450 minerals during the time you drone drill and subsequently attack with the drones when broken through. | ||
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Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
On September 21 2011 10:14 TemujinGK wrote: EDIT: to defeat this garbage from players of no worth like the original poster, here is a video of breaking the pylon block easily and quickly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9CA9AahV1E doesnt work on all maps | ||
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TemujinGK
United States483 Posts
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Gooey
United States944 Posts
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