EPTPvZ simple cheese with ~80% w/r in high masters - Page 17
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Soulish
Canada1403 Posts
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
And Protoss is mining the entire time you are drone drilling. So even if they spend a ton of money doing this, they are still actually mining. I suppose with perfect execution on the perfect spawn location, you may end up ahead, but Protoss can always cancel if they see you are drone drilling correctly, and end up ahead. I think that maybe with testing, we could see who comes out ahead when you drone drill perfectly on top left shakuras. So maybe, maybe you could rely on this on certain map positions, but definitely not most of them. Certain maps like Typhon Peaks you will never get a drone drill off. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
He pylon blocks -> I expand to another base He scouts it -> Cannons behind the minerals (thanks to vision range you dont see until hatch finishes) -> I go roaches to save that expansion He goes VR and I lose because the bases are too far apart to defend with anything. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
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GramCracker
United States18 Posts
Thanks iNkopwnz ! | ||
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LOLZEY
Canada71 Posts
- nydus inside AND outside my base - overlord drops (for close air position zergs) how you I best stop these? assuming they hit around 7 - 8 minuteish and i expand after i cannon the zerg. thanks! | ||
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PeanutsNJam
United States175 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5226 Posts
On February 01 2012 07:42 LOLZEY wrote: hey, thanks for the guide. ive been using this on ladder against every zerg now, works quite well. however, things ive been dying to: - nydus inside AND outside my base - overlord drops (for close air position zergs) how you I best stop these? assuming they hit around 7 - 8 minuteish and i expand after i cannon the zerg. thanks! Don't expand, stay on one base. 1 base Protoss beats 1 base Zerg. | ||
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zaradron
Canada15 Posts
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Tarotis
Germany1931 Posts
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Maggost
Venezuela296 Posts
On February 06 2012 16:53 zaradron wrote: This is why ladder needs to have the MLG style neutral supply depot, so cheese like this that's almost impossible to stop wont happen This. I have been cheesed with that build a ton of times, that neutral supply it's needed. | ||
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MrHighlight
United States43 Posts
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lordofsoup
United States159 Posts
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UmiNotsuki
United States633 Posts
1. Doesn't work on tournament maps 2. Doesn't work if Zerg is at all aware of the danger and patrols drone at ramp 3. Doesn't work if Zerg tags scouting probe with a drone when it first comes in (which is common) 4. Doesn't work if Zerg already has another drone somewhere on the map to expand 5. Leaves you extremely vulnerable to proxy hatch in your main 6. Leaves you extremely vulnerable to roach/nydus play 7. Won't allow you to improve your ability to play at all and thus will inflate your rating past where you actually should be, making games impossibly hard for you without cheesing Just stop. | ||
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Berailfor
441 Posts
On February 06 2012 05:17 BronzeKnee wrote: Don't expand, stay on one base. 1 base Protoss beats 1 base Zerg. You can totally expand. You already built the forge for an FE. Anytime I do this cheese I still expand because there is no way to break it anyway. Just afterwards always tech to void rays. Once you get 3 and start making Phoenix. Unless he already has like 3 spores at each base (still might not be enough as you never have to engage any of them except normally 1) and multiple queens it's over. And they won't. So it will be over. | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On February 07 2012 03:20 UmiNotsuki wrote: This is stupid, just stop. 1. Doesn't work on tournament maps 2. Doesn't work if Zerg is at all aware of the danger and patrols drone at ramp 3. Doesn't work if Zerg tags scouting probe with a drone when it first comes in (which is common) 4. Doesn't work if Zerg already has another drone somewhere on the map to expand 5. Leaves you extremely vulnerable to proxy hatch in your main 6. Leaves you extremely vulnerable to roach/nydus play 7. Won't allow you to improve your ability to play at all and thus will inflate your rating past where you actually should be, making games impossibly hard for you without cheesing Just stop. Something tells me you play Zerg  Anyway, I'm a Master Toss, and I'd mostly agree with this. Don't get me wrong, it is a good strat to pull off, but you're leaving yourself pretty damn vulnerable as well, and also, most importantely: regardless of the outcome when you're doing this, you're not exactly learning anything, nor are you improving. Unless you're planning on becoming the next CombatEX, cannon contain is essentially a strat designed for trolling people and causing Zerg tears, which, undeniably is pretty fun, but not for all that long | ||
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weikor
Austria580 Posts
Dont forget that this has put the protoss WAY behind in tech, expanding, probe production and units lost (at least 600 minerals 3 pylon 1 cannon + he needs at least 1 cannon at his base usually more if you break out) He can use his flawed production to do one of a few things : Expand (economy) tech quickly (tech) or followup pressure (army) this isnt as terrifying as it seems to be honest | ||
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Jacobs Ladder
United States1705 Posts
On February 07 2012 02:18 Maggost wrote: This. I have been cheesed with that build a ton of times, that neutral supply it's needed. I don't know, its easily preventable with a hold positioned worker. I never do this build and hate that depot because it messes with quite a few protoss sim cities (including low ground walling your own ramp against 6 pool). | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
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zmansman17
United States2567 Posts
Somehow I doubt its usefulness. I mean I would think a zerg would drop 1 spine on the high ground after laying down a creep tumor and there go at least 3 pylons (and whatever else was the buttress of that wall). Then a zerg could just 1 base roach and sure you laid down an expansion, but can you really hold if the zerg droned properly beforehand and didn't waste roaches/larva/time trying to take down the wall? I call bullshit on this one until I have a chance to review a replay. Perhaps you are winning but it may be by the sheer unorthodox nature of this strategy then by the actual strength of the strategy itself. | ||
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