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On August 03 2012 08:03 eS_ToDo wrote:
i'd say if you would rather stick to darkgrid, you don't really need foxy to keep updating it. the fundamentals are there, it won't be hard to continue making changes to darkgrid to make it the most comfortable for you.
well the most important thing to patch coming up would be for HOTS.
Go Foxy!
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Great layout and I am excited to try it, but I think that it should be moved to the middle of the keyboard (index finger on L) where you can have 3 additional accessible keys for little finger (R,F,V), which would be great for standalone location hotkeys. Also ALT is much less awkward to press this way. And maybe even right WIN key and the key next to it can be used? Isn't this clearly superior?
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TheCore does all things this layout does better (except one minor thing). It's faster, more ergonomic, more smooth. I strongly suggest trying it before settling for DarkGrid.
Alt is supposed to be pressed with your thumb in DarkGrid (TheCore does not contain this sometimes awkward reach). Shift is often the most pressed key an a game of SC2, making it a larger reach is more negative than positive, but an interesting thought. The win key cannot be used for SC2, if I recall correctly.
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This certainly will take a while to learn, but once I am done it'll rock!
(Already tried to incoorperate those base cams, making it so much faster!
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Quick question,
I really like the Darkgrid layout, but the Logitech keyboard that I use has the alt button much closer to the z key than I would like. I was wondering if there was a legal way to remap the alt key to the space bar (seeing as how I would change the space hotkey to something else.) I think that that would make going through camera location hotkeys much quicker and more efficient. Any help would be much appreciated.
Thank you, and have a great day.
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darkgrid> thecore
i hope you update this! please! and if there is something you can add from the core, please do so.
the core is too crowded. too effecient if you know what i mean.
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On August 26 2012 21:58 phantastron wrote:
darkgrid> thecore
i hope you update this! please! and if there is something you can add from the core, please do so.
the core is too crowded. too effecient if you know what i mean.
It goes too out of its way to make things as efficient as possible, you mean?
There's always Chameleon if you're into keeping the home keys as ASDF. If I recall correctly, Jak said he would still update it even while working on theCore. Not sure if Foxy said anything about updating DarkGrid, but the answer appears to be unclear by the looks of this thread.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333891
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I'm 99.999999% sure both Foxy and I will be updating our respective older and less efficient layouts for those who will not be making the switch. Although the focus will definitely be on TheCore as it is much faster and more competitive that either Darkgrid or Chameleon, dispite, or because of the fact, that it has a relatively steep learning curve that not everyone is willing to go through.
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On August 27 2012 01:40 JaKaTaK wrote:
I'm 99.999999% sure both Foxy and I will be updating our respective older and less efficient layouts for those who will not be making the switch. Although the focus will definitely be on TheCore as it is much faster and more competitive that either Darkgrid or Chameleon, dispite, or because of the fact, that it has a relatively steep learning curve that not everyone is willing to go through.
if you had to recommend a layout from darkgrid or charmeleon considering the things i have pointed out about thecore, what do you think is better?
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On August 27 2012 12:44 phantastron wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 01:40 JaKaTaK wrote:
I'm 99.999999% sure both Foxy and I will be updating our respective older and less efficient layouts for those who will not be making the switch. Although the focus will definitely be on TheCore as it is much faster and more competitive that either Darkgrid or Chameleon, dispite, or because of the fact, that it has a relatively steep learning curve that not everyone is willing to go through. if you had to recommend a layout from darkgrid or charmeleon considering the things i have pointed out about thecore, what do you think is better?
You pointed out nothing about theCore, actually. You just stated a... unique opinion.
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This look better than the Core's having your hand on other side of keyboard, I didn't want to us it because u'd have to use 'weaker' fingers. Will try out soon!!!
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Guys, if you are concerned about ergonomic, efficiency, or speed, TheCore is the way to go. It is so much better than the current version of DarkGrid.
There are 2 reasons to learn DarkGrid over TheCore:
1) You don't want to have to work as hard to adjust. TheCore is completely alien, at least this is a little bit more familiar? Fair enough. I personally think if you're going to relearn all your positioning anyway, might as well go the extra mile and get the HEAPS of benefits TheCore offers. You're not lazy, switching to DarkGrid takes a lot of work too, you're probably just afraid. Allow me to reassure you with sweet lulibies detailing TheCore's excellence....
2) You play on a laptop, you keyboard doesn't permit the core due to odd key placings, or your room is too small for you to slide the keyboard far enough to the left.
I'm serious. That's it.
TheCore: Fast, More Ergonomic, More Efficient, Not that scary.
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Do it. I'm learning the core atm and it does take some work, but once you've got it down it kills. I am already beating people that are on my own level, and I still struggle hardcore with control groups. I feel the macro mechanics alone are much more efficient, which is why I am already at equal footing with ppl from my league (high dia). I can't even fathom how much better I will get once I've got it completely nailed down.
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The only thing I take issue with with the core is the camera hotkeys. Using ctrl+shift+another key to use a camera and have alt+ key to create one seems odd. And it needs re-positioning of the hand to use them since ctrl and shift are at weird places on the keyboard.
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Sennin,
Are you tilting your keyboard properly?
Does it feel more comfortable if you put your resting position at KOP[ rather than JIOP?
Usually one of these 2 things, along with practice, will help you to feel more comfortable with the Ctrl+Shift.
We're also looking at some alternate binds for non-zerg layouts. But it is absolutely necessary for efficient injects with zerg.
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Jakatak,
I play terran but camera hotkeys have helped me immensly with mule dropping and building things. But maybe I should try it some more. What fingers do you use to hold ctrl and shift simultaniously? Is it the thumb and index?
And maybe I'll play around some more with tilting the keyboard. I'll look into it again.
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On August 29 2012 00:55 JaKaTaK wrote:
We're also looking at some alternate binds for non-zerg layouts. But it is absolutely necessary for efficient injects with zerg.
While we're on this topic, what kinds of alternate keybinds are you looking into? "It" isn't necessary for me since I decided to use backspace injects, so I might be able to transfer the changes to ZRM.
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Edit: ups wrong thread, pls delete
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For the Hotkey practicing I loaded up some Arcade Maps where the command buttons are disabled for mouse clicks. This means you are forced to play only with Hotkeys.
Simply search for Z23 to find these maps. Let me know each issues you may find.
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