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I'm in the decision process of switching over to DarkGrid. I have such a hard time getting myself to use the F-keys for cameras and as Protoss, I really need to start using one for my warp in pylon. Plus I love the idea of having so many more control groups.
I have mouse buttons which I currently use for Robo(4) and Stargate(5), but I use a finger tip grip and thus I've always felt like I was being inefficient using it because it always takes me a bit longer to press them than a key. So I'm not sure if I want to use mouse enhanced or mouseless.
The other thing I'm concerned about is the combined production. One of the things I usually like to do with having seperate production hotkeys is double clicking so I can easily chrono boost the production. Part of me wants to use combined production so I can have so many army hotkeys, but part of me is resistant for the reason I just stated.
What mechanism would you recommend for quickly getting to production facilities for easy chrono'ing?
I realize the issue can be a bit moot when you get to the stage of the game where gateways are spread out everywhere, but I do always try to keep my robos and stargates somewhat close by.
PS. I've considered TheCore, but after a lot of consideration I'm only open to trying out DarkGrid as it addresses all my concerns and I really don't want to move my hand from the left side.
Thanks 
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Use the layered camera system. You can place most of your gates in easy view of one of your nexus, and for those that you can't, you still have a free camera to do so.
Doing 2key production is best for darkgrid. That means gates on one and robo/stargate on another. If you don't like that though, feel free to mix it up.
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I have a question about the hotkeys for building stuff. For instance, when in a Gateway or a Robotics Facility or a Stargate, the keys used to build the different units. Is there a method to the madness? When I first tried it out, I was expecting since it was called DarkGrid that it would be Grid-like for building stuff, but for one of them it goes left to right Q E F I think but then for another it's totally different.
Did you make these decisions based on how often the unit is usually built and assigning it an appropriate key? Or how was the decision made? I'm just trying to understand the organization to help in the memorization process. For instance, it makes perfect sense that main ability are F and then E because your fingers are right there.
I will say though that for the practice games I have been doing, even though I'm playing slower because I don't know them all yet, once I did have something memorized, like Nexus->Chronoboost or Build->Assimilator, Build->CyberCore, etc, that once I learned it, I was quickly able to execute the command faster than standard hotkeys that I've been using for over a year.
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I went ahead and came up with a customized version of this for me.
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This probably seems kind of weird because I decided to use mouse buttons, but as I stated in a previous post, I already use the mouse buttons for Robo/Stargate, so after hours of deliberation, I decided I would just keep those for the time being. Pretty much I'm just pushing off the decision of "do I want to use the mouse keys for things" and the decision of "do I want to do combined production". I'm feeling very conflicted on those decisions, so much to the point that it might prevent me from switching my hotkeys all together, so I'm pushing off the decisions to make sure I at least implement the important changes here. I called it Stage 1 because I'm leaving myself open to change things regarding mouse buttons and combined production in the future. My goal here is I want to use the other hotkeys and the camera hotkeys because I think those will affect my personal performance the most, but I left myself open so that in the future, if I decide to either use the mouse keys or use combined production, that is a simple change that shouldn't affect anything else.
Since we're limited to 10 keys, I removed colossus because they are the easiest to CRTL + Click since they are so big and always on top of everything but air units. I also removed Harass 2 for now because in my play style, I think this is the one that would be used the least. Harass 2 is the one I will bring back if I go for combined production in the future.
Hope you don't mind me using your keyboard layout graphics
Now that I've made the decisions, time to use the weekend to learn it.
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You know what you guys should do? make a different layout who won't be able to follow specific changes such as changing the angle of key board or keys being pulled out. Like combine dark grid and chameleon and make a more efficient layout considering they are quite outdated after what you guys have learned making and developing the core. Thanks!
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try queens on shift. to me this change is 200% more efficient For the non mouse keys zerg. Also try G for hatcheries. Faster than pressing space. This is all IMO of course. Consider it foxy!
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is this better than chamelon, excluding thecore?
I can't use thecore cause taking out keys is out of the question for me.
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dude... just pick one and see how you like it?
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How do I download the HotS hotkey file? It just brings me to a long text file that I can't do anything with.
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Right click the link -> save link as
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Hello,
I have some begginer questions:
–how do You use efficent key G for whole army. I have some problem with this. The problem is with adding new stuff to them
–i am not using mouse, so my medivacs go got Y. IT is something hard to take them easily on that Group specialy when new arrives. I select new shift+Y and attack on my army. IT takes so much time
–same with tanks
How can i learn a goodbye practice with adding new units?
–Viking i am making to follow my man army on G
Thx in advance.
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On October 16 2012 21:33 Mar_1910 wrote:
Hello,
I have some begginer questions:
–how do You use efficent key G for whole army. I have some problem with this. The problem is with adding new stuff to them
Pinky on shift and index finger on G. This is basically how my hand is positioned all game, it's slightly sideways.
–i am not using mouse, so my medivacs go got Y. IT is something hard to take them easily on that Group specialy when new arrives. I select new shift+Y and attack on my army. IT takes so much time
I actuallly advocate adding medivacs to the same hotkey as your bio, but if you really dislike that I guess you could put then on 3 or 4
–same with tanks
I put bio/medivacs on R, tanks on G, vikings on V and ghosts on space. It's all preference though.
How can i learn a goodbye practice with adding new units?
I don't understand the question
–Viking i am making to follow my man army on G
Thx in advance.
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On October 16 2012 22:44 Clarity_nl wrote:
On October 16 2012 21:33 Mar_1910 wrote:Hello, I have some begginer questions: –how do You use efficent key G for whole army. I have some problem with this. The problem is with adding new stuff to them Pinky on shift and index finger on G. This is basically how my hand is positioned all game, it's slightly sideways.OK so maybe i need more practice. Thx for Your example. It is still easier when You start with something that trying in every game.–i am not using mouse, so my medivacs go got Y. IT is something hard to take them easily on that Group specialy when new arrives. I select new shift+Y and attack on my army. IT takes so much time I actuallly advocate adding medivacs to the same hotkey as your bio, but if you really dislike that I guess you could put then on 3 or 4During the switch to new layout I want to add new stuff. I know it is better to have medivacs seperate during micro. They will still heal my army–same with tanks I put bio/medivacs on R, tanks on G, vikings on V and ghosts on space. It's all preference though.Probably during learning I will be switching hotkeys, but I want to learn the layout from the first post. I dont want to change. I will try to force myself to learn. I watched the tutoral and interview with terran player and what i liked is playcing tanks on Spacebar.How can i learn a good practice with adding new units? I don't understand the questionSorry last post was from my phone and he is correcting my words
What I ment i have problems with adding new stuff to control groups.
As I said when new unit pop ups I am draging it ad adding to control group. I have a lot of problems with medivacs, tanks, and Vikings becouse i dont have them on the same key as my main army. I want them to follow my army on G. –Viking i am making to follow my man army on G Thx in advance.
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Just as a note, I've been using R for swarm hosts and 4 for vipers, seems to work ok. I bound the important viper spells to F and W so you can easily hit 4F and 4W.
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Thanks CheriPai! I appreciate the help.
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With the new HotS patch, it seems alt+ability key doesn't work anymore, is this the game engine doing it or is there some hotkey I'm missing, I can no longer inject holding Shift+Alt and pressing E.
EDIT: Apparently holding alt also makes it so you cannot click on anything
EDIT2: Found the bug causing it, posted it on the HotS beta bug forum
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Hey there,
im realy confused at the moment. I downloaded Darkgrid but i thought there must be a specialized version for Protoss? In the picture it shows that mousekey 4+5 are used for controll groups, but in my downloaded version they arent set up? I did not dowload the mouseless version btw.
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On November 18 2012 22:14 Cuclain wrote:
Hey there,
im realy confused at the moment. I downloaded Darkgrid but i thought there must be a specialized version for Protoss? In the picture it shows that mousekey 4+5 are used for controll groups, but in my downloaded version they arent set up? I did not dowload the mouseless version btw.
First of all, darkgrid is sort of discontinued, so it's sort of questionable to learn it right now (it's still a great system though).
As for your mouse buttons, it's perfectly fine. The controlgroups are bound to like.. "o" and "p" so you have to either use a thirdparty software to bind mouse4 and mouse5 to O and P, or change those hotkeys manually in SC2 to use mouse4 and mouse5 instead.
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When I click the hots download link it just takes me to a blank white with lines that look like they should go in a file somewhere. Am I missing something, or am i supposed to copy/paste all the text from the url into a file?
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copy and paste the text into a hotkeys file (find your hotkeys folder, copy one, rename it, and then edit it just like a .txt in notepad)
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