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Raymano
Australia27 Posts
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goose114
United States7 Posts
On May 16 2012 23:27 JaKaTaK wrote: On State of the Game. The patch to customize keys hit in january of 2011 so it had to be after that, but there are a whole lot of episodes of SotG, I tried to find it one time, but to no avail. I would really like to know which episode it is so I can watch it again :D Someone find it and report back here!!! EDIT: The patch to customize hotkeys hit on the PTR before january! So it may be slightly before Jan 2011! It's episode 35, 2:02:55 into the VOD. | ||
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FoxyMayhem
624 Posts
(For those curious, the scoring is a system of applying penalties: or instance, if your finger is fully extended before pressing the key, pressing the key is less ergonomic, awkward, and sometimes slower. Any key that this is generally true of recieves a +1 difficulty penalty. The pinkie hates being overburdened, and so a penalty is applied to any key struck by the pinkie. Wrist rotation is a no-no for speed and especially ergonomics, to it receives a penalty. A great example of what we updated to day: Horizontal reaches now receive penalties based how far the knuckle joint extends, and how far spreads from its neighbor knuckle as measured in percent, rather than approximately how many keys over a key is. This new way of measuring accounts for hand rotation, wrist flexion, and the differing mobility ranges of various knuckles, while the old system did not. You bet your bollocks it's better.) @goose: Thanks man! | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
Thanks so much :D Bookmarked! I'm actually going to watch it right now :D | ||
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FoxyMayhem
624 Posts
This is turning into a Blizzard "Soon"TM. Ha ha ha, I'm so sorry. | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
On May 19 2012 12:45 FoxyMayhem wrote: I put 3 1/2 hours in working on the new layout with JaK. He did another 1 1/2 on top of that. Several days to go, at least. This is turning into a Blizzard "Soon"TM. Ha ha ha, I'm so sorry. Seriously. If i wasn't doing the show every night I would be putting in 8 hours a day, but 5 is the best I can do right now  | ||
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Fencar
United States2694 Posts
On May 19 2012 12:45 FoxyMayhem wrote: I put 3 1/2 hours in working on the new layout with JaK. He did another 1 1/2 on top of that. Several days to go, at least. This is turning into a Blizzard "Soon"TM. Ha ha ha, I'm so sorry. Finish it, first. <3 I don't mind if it takes forever as long as when you release it it's DONE. | ||
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uoeahtns
52 Posts
On May 19 2012 13:29 Fencer710 wrote: Finish it, first. <3 I don't mind if it takes forever as long as when you release it it's DONE. Of course they should release it after they have something going, but things like beta tests do exist, you know. Although they might be at a stage where releasing what they have so far might not be a good idea, releasing your work to the community can give lots of valuable input that can turn a simple project that they finished into something that is "DONE". | ||
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Antylamon
United States1981 Posts
Because I don't exactly have a $50 gaming mouse laying around... | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
On May 19 2012 23:30 Antylamon wrote: Will the new hotkey setup use mouse side buttons? Because I don't exactly have a $50 gaming mouse laying around... We will have versions with and without the 5th and 4th mouse buttons. (I don't have $50 lying around to go buy a new mouse either) :D On May 19 2012 13:36 uoeahtns wrote: Of course they should release it after they have something going, but things like beta tests do exist, you know. Although they might be at a stage where releasing what they have so far might not be a good idea, releasing your work to the community can give lots of valuable input that can turn a simple project that they finished into something that is "DONE". We'll release a beta version that will be labeled as beta when we need the help of testers to fine tune what we have. Also nothing is set in stone, if we find a way to make it better, we will make it better. | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
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FoxyMayhem
624 Posts
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
On May 21 2012 08:05 Birdie wrote: I recall Day9 back in his BW days on a podcast saying that it's better to be moving your hand around the keyboard for improved blood flow, to prevent carpal tunnel and other wrist problems. This layout looks like your hand is moving very little. For me I think the best compromise is to leave most of the unit hotkeys the same but have certain micro keys more accessible for when fast actions are needed (fungal growth for example). I can move around the keyboard plenty fast enough for macroing, but having split second faster micro is a worthwhile advantage to have. EDIT: Ninja'd That is a really interesting point, thanks very much for that. I'll be looking into that more deeply. Foxy is the more experienced ergonomics guy so he would have a much better response than me :D | ||
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bgalang92
United States155 Posts
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kORALIE
Belgium16 Posts
It is true if u move your hand a lot it increases your bloodflow, and actually if u keep the hand "mounted" on the desk all the time it blocks carpal tunnel where all those nerves and veins go through. Thats why they've developed that "scrolling mouse" thingy, so u dont have to rest your wrists on desk, which causes some pressure to carpal tunnel area. IMHO, layout with less hand movement is better cause its efficient. And one can always take a break between games. This thing is double edged sword tbh, if u make your hand move a lot and u have to stretch your fingers uncomfortably it can cause RSI (repetitive strain injuries) which are pain in the ass too. If u can keep your wrist off the desk and u dont have to stretch alot your fingers, thats the "best" ergo u can get with normal keyboard. | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
On May 21 2012 18:45 kORALIE wrote: Im fysiotherapist so I know a little bit about ergonomics. It is true if u move your hand a lot it increases your bloodflow, and actually if u keep the hand "mounted" on the desk all the time it blocks carpal tunnel where all those nerves and veins go through. Thats why they've developed that "scrolling mouse" thingy, so u dont have to rest your wrists on desk, which causes some pressure to carpal tunnel area. IMHO, layout with less hand movement is better cause its efficient. And one can always take a break between games. This thing is double edged sword tbh, if u make your hand move a lot and u have to stretch your fingers uncomfortably it can cause RSI (repetitive strain injuries) which are pain in the ass too. If u can keep your wrist off the desk and u dont have to stretch alot your fingers, thats the "best" ergo u can get with normal keyboard. Thanks so much man. That's really good information to have. Foxy and I have actually talked about this extensively. Any other nuggets of ergonomic wisdom you're holding back? | ||
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kORALIE
Belgium16 Posts
It's awesome. My english is so bad so I cant really "analyze" how great that hand placement actually is when your keyboard is slightly tilted. All I can say its way more ergonomic than normal, and you guys should absolutely do it that way. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On May 21 2012 18:45 kORALIE wrote: Im fysiotherapist so I know a little bit about ergonomics. It is true if u move your hand a lot it increases your bloodflow, and actually if u keep the hand "mounted" on the desk all the time it blocks carpal tunnel where all those nerves and veins go through. Thats why they've developed that "scrolling mouse" thingy, so u dont have to rest your wrists on desk, which causes some pressure to carpal tunnel area. IMHO, layout with less hand movement is better cause its efficient. And one can always take a break between games. This thing is double edged sword tbh, if u make your hand move a lot and u have to stretch your fingers uncomfortably it can cause RSI (repetitive strain injuries) which are pain in the ass too. If u can keep your wrist off the desk and u dont have to stretch alot your fingers, thats the "best" ergo u can get with normal keyboard. If one plays with their feet up on their desk, with the keyboard in their lap and mouse on the desk with the mousehand wrist on or near the edge, is there any kind of hand / wrist problem associated with that ? Assume just normal typing type movements, no stretching or anything. Or would it be better with the keyboard on the desk, but sitting back with typing wrist a little forward from the edge ? Neither of these positions gives me any hand strain, but I don't play for extremely long chunks of time, but I was wondering what someone who actually knew about these types of things would think. | ||
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kORALIE
Belgium16 Posts
Well, I dont think there's any problem with your setup regarding hand position. There is always a risk involved when people are using mouse and keyboard long periods of time at once (like 5+ hours straight without any actual rest). Sure the desk gives SOME amount of pressure to the hypothenar / thenar area which can block the blood flow ( cold hands is the sign ). But if you dont have cold hands, you've used your "setup" long without any HAND problems I personally think its just fine. Rest, stretch, and when you aint using mouse or keyboard for anything put your hands away from them. And these are just my opinions. <edit> If you have big hands and you are male, then I wouldnt care at all. But if you have extraordinary small hands, then you would want to place your hands on the desk rather than on the edge. | ||
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