EPT[G] PvZ: guide to an imbalanced special tactic - Page 3
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norterrible
United States618 Posts
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Ungrateful
United States71 Posts
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MuffinFTW
United States235 Posts
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n.DieJokes
United States3443 Posts
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FinestHour
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Mjolnir
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Christ. One more reason for me to hate Forcefield. With good micro this is strong. I had a player do this to me and I felt like a total scrub... absolutely nothing I could do to save my base. His was too far to trade. I fucking hate Forcefield. | ||
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Flonomenalz
Nigeria3519 Posts
On August 21 2011 10:56 MuffinFTW wrote: To deal with base trades situations, I think u just have to fly the warp prism back and hopefully be able to pick up a probe to make stuff + blink stalkers are REALLY good for base trades. Yeah except you're going to have Roach/Ling destroying 2 bases against Pure Blink Stalker destroying 3 bases, potentially 4. There's just no way you win a base trade at all. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
which means a nerf for protoss :< | ||
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MuffinFTW
United States235 Posts
On August 21 2011 12:01 Flonomenalz wrote: Yeah except you're going to have Roach/Ling destroying 2 bases against Pure Blink Stalker destroying 3 bases, potentially 4. There's just no way you win a base trade at all. Did u not read? If u have a probe in a warp prism, by flying it back to pick one up, you'll be able to constantly make pylons WITH your army, so they can't snipe. | ||
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StatX
Canada343 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=243987 | ||
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StatX
Canada343 Posts
On August 21 2011 12:35 youngminii wrote: this is going to encourage more and more base trading until blizzard patches this to 'fix' it which means a nerf for protoss :< If blizzard nerfs forcefields, the amount of protoss players will likely drop to around 0%. It is the only thing which allows us to overcome the MMM early push and the mass units of zergs. Without forcefield, it becomes easy to kill a protoss early on at any point. | ||
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brachester
Australia1786 Posts
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GinDo
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Staboteur
Canada1873 Posts
On August 21 2011 12:59 brachester wrote: though the pictures may make your thread looks detailed but your analysis of your strat are horrible. You didn't discuss any type of timing you're trying to exploit, you didn't discuss anything about what the zerg could have done to prevent that (your losses), because i'm pretty sure it's not imbalanced, if it is, the ladder and tournaments would have fulled of it already. All you did was showing people that you need to build stalkers, build sentries and build warprism to execute this build -_- ...because it's a tactic, not a build. Much like ling runbys aren't meant to exploit a significant timing (other than "his units aren't here right now") or how marine drops don't need to happen only before Protoss gets a specific tech... it's a clever way to use the units you'll likely already have plus a warp prism to straight-up win games. | ||
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Xation
Canada147 Posts
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epikAnglory
United States1120 Posts
On August 21 2011 13:15 Xation wrote: Forgive me if I am wrong, but doesn't mass speedling/infestor completely wreck this? Also, Stalkers don't upgrade too well. Stalkers start noticing a difference once you get +2 Weapons out, just a good timing to have in your head when you FFE into Blink Stalkers. Infestors could work if you have Burrow out and somehow manage to get under the Force Fields, but I still think Burrowed Roaches would still be better in the situation. | ||
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RodrigoX
United States645 Posts
Doing like an FE, into 7ish gate +2 stalker blink plus warp prism and sentry and perform that tactic, you can end up pretty good. I mean you arent running into the problems that build has, with being unable to transition well, or not being able to handle an army that flanks well, you are sidestepping all of that, and using blink stalkers for a really easy win. Or at least tons of damage to where you can perform the shitty transition blink stalkers have. | ||
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Let it Raine
Canada1245 Posts
nexus first/ffe into 7 gate blink, which involves getting a robo for detection. and instead of making 1-2 observers and never using the robo till your attack fails, you get a warp prism to do this tactic. i cant imagine someone not raging at this though, this game is designed for people to abuse zerg. | ||
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theredone
United States49 Posts
This tactic is a great tool for protoss to use when it is applicable. The way I do this is usually with a fast charge when my twilight council gets scouted and i can reasonably assume my oponent will counter blink stalkers. then try the "sentry drop kick trick" and if all goes according to plans follow up with chargelot warp ins. I'll often end up using the first warp prism with just 3 zealots to snipe the queen at the third then swing back in to do it again and when he defends his third -=BOOOM=- i'm in your main with charelots and and a sentry or 2. really my post is probably more directed at everyone who thinks they can add to the community culture and the pride inspiring image that tl brings to esports with 1 sentence that only belittles someone else's hard work. If you're going to get critical of someone's idea's - you're going to go into a public forum and "bash" someone you have to put something on the line or you're just flapping gums. I'm not going to quote anyone but if you're so sure you won't lose to this that you can dismiss it in 1 sentence I demand a replay. Give us a date and time for some public broadcast open stream proving it. Really if you just give some conditions and/or positions to make those blanket statements they would gain the first speck of credibility that might make people start listening to you. As it stands i just figure you're all a bunch of mid bronze level 2v2 warriors who's big brother told you about team liquid. thanks theredone | ||
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SpoR
United States1542 Posts
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