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Make sure you read the OP before asking a question. Asking a question already addressed in the OP will result in moderation action. Also, please put some effort into your questions.
lolcake86
Profile Joined January 2013
1 Post
January 09 2013 01:38 GMT
#8501
Im diamond and greed got me to diamond, I want to improve and climb the ladder to masters as rapidly as possible. Im interested to know what the best thing to do to achieve this is. Is it to be hyper aggressive, to be cheeseproof ... tl;Dr is there a play style which will best get me from diamond to masters.
Sajaki
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada1135 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-09 02:08:04
January 09 2013 02:05 GMT
#8502
On January 09 2013 10:38 lolcake86 wrote:
Im diamond and greed got me to diamond, I want to improve and climb the ladder to masters as rapidly as possible. Im interested to know what the best thing to do to achieve this is. Is it to be hyper aggressive, to be cheeseproof ... tl;Dr is there a play style which will best get me from diamond to masters.


The boring answer is to be better at everything. The difference between diamond and masters is that master players do everything diamond players can, only better; cleaner. You need to improve your mechanics (micro, macro, multitasking) and the best way to do so is to get intimate with 1 build per matchup and learn the ins and outs of it. Doing so will lead to cleaner build execution (less thought ingame means you can spend time on other things = better multitasking), more efficient macro, and your micro will improve naturally as you grind games.

Standard is probably the best way to improve. Standard builds are mentioned in the OP under general.
Inno pls...
mmK_
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Sweden16 Posts
January 09 2013 17:32 GMT
#8503
Can anyone give me tips on how to micro against a charglot archon ht army From my experience if you do a good split and don´t get hit my the storm the damage by my units get´s so spread out and the chargelots get´s more hits casue they aren´t in the way of eathother and I just die to the chargelots. The other option is to just have everything in a big blob and stim and stutterstep and try to run away from the storms which dosen´t work either casue storms just stomps that. Feels like ghost dosen´t make a big diffrence even when I get a good emp down. And when they get colo with that combo feels like I could just gg, there´s like nothing I can do against that comp. I myself am a diamond but I usally lose to plat toss and has happend that I lost to gold tosses too.
Once the terran race has chosen you, you can´t change because the marines will stim and ratatatat you if you do! :o
darkphantom
Profile Joined November 2012
98 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-09 19:15:02
January 09 2013 19:14 GMT
#8504
hi
i need a good TvZ 1 Rax FE build that is safe and stable and goes into heavily upgraded marine tank :D ( no banshees harass) ?
From the darkness i come
mau5mat
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Northern Ireland461 Posts
January 09 2013 19:56 GMT
#8505
On January 10 2013 04:14 darkphantom wrote:
hi
i need a good TvZ 1 Rax FE build that is safe and stable and goes into heavily upgraded marine tank :D ( no banshees harass) ?


Day9 Daily on Bombers TvZ build should be what you are looking for.
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
January 09 2013 20:01 GMT
#8506
From page 356, Ver has taken over the OP of the Terran Help Me Thread, answering the most frequently asked questions about Terran. Make sure you read the OP before asking a question. Asking a question already addressed in the OP will result in moderation action.


should probably say TheDwf now o_o
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
darkphantom
Profile Joined November 2012
98 Posts
January 09 2013 20:19 GMT
#8507
On January 10 2013 04:56 mau5mat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 04:14 darkphantom wrote:
hi
i need a good TvZ 1 Rax FE build that is safe and stable and goes into heavily upgraded marine tank :D ( no banshees harass) ?


Day9 Daily on Bombers TvZ build should be what you are looking for.


lol day9 bores me to hell do u have a written build order ?

and what do u think is better in todays's metagame pure bio or marine tank ?
From the darkness i come
darkphantom
Profile Joined November 2012
98 Posts
January 09 2013 20:26 GMT
#8508
in tvp when getting ghosts what should i upgrade first ? mana or cloak ? and is getting 2 ghost academies to make both upgrades same time bad ?
From the darkness i come
mau5mat
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Northern Ireland461 Posts
January 09 2013 20:38 GMT
#8509
On January 10 2013 05:19 darkphantom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 04:56 mau5mat wrote:
On January 10 2013 04:14 darkphantom wrote:
hi
i need a good TvZ 1 Rax FE build that is safe and stable and goes into heavily upgraded marine tank :D ( no banshees harass) ?


Day9 Daily on Bombers TvZ build should be what you are looking for.


lol day9 bores me to hell do u have a written build order ?

and what do u think is better in todays's metagame pure bio or marine tank ?


Day9 lays the build out very clearly, I recommend you watch it yourself and try to learn as much as you can. Pure bio isn't very good for the vast majority of players, the simple answer is biotank.
darkphantom
Profile Joined November 2012
98 Posts
January 09 2013 20:40 GMT
#8510
On January 10 2013 05:38 mau5mat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 05:19 darkphantom wrote:
On January 10 2013 04:56 mau5mat wrote:
On January 10 2013 04:14 darkphantom wrote:
hi
i need a good TvZ 1 Rax FE build that is safe and stable and goes into heavily upgraded marine tank :D ( no banshees harass) ?


Day9 Daily on Bombers TvZ build should be what you are looking for.


lol day9 bores me to hell do u have a written build order ?

and what do u think is better in todays's metagame pure bio or marine tank ?


Day9 lays the build out very clearly, I recommend you watch it yourself and try to learn as much as you can. Pure bio isn't very good for the vast majority of players, the simple answer is biotank.


K thanks :D
From the darkness i come
darkphantom
Profile Joined November 2012
98 Posts
January 09 2013 20:42 GMT
#8511
On January 10 2013 05:38 mau5mat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 05:19 darkphantom wrote:
On January 10 2013 04:56 mau5mat wrote:
On January 10 2013 04:14 darkphantom wrote:
hi
i need a good TvZ 1 Rax FE build that is safe and stable and goes into heavily upgraded marine tank :D ( no banshees harass) ?


Day9 Daily on Bombers TvZ build should be what you are looking for.


lol day9 bores me to hell do u have a written build order ?

and what do u think is better in todays's metagame pure bio or marine tank ?


Day9 lays the build out very clearly, I recommend you watch it yourself and try to learn as much as you can. Pure bio isn't very good for the vast majority of players, the simple answer is biotank.



which one ??

this :



or this:
From the darkness i come
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
January 09 2013 20:43 GMT
#8512
The first one.
mau5mat
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Northern Ireland461 Posts
January 09 2013 21:17 GMT
#8513
On January 10 2013 05:26 darkphantom wrote:
in tvp when getting ghosts what should i upgrade first ? mana or cloak ? and is getting 2 ghost academies to make both upgrades same time bad ?


Energy upgrade ---> Cloak, making two is a waste of gas and not necessary.
PinheadXXXXXX
Profile Joined February 2012
United States897 Posts
January 10 2013 03:11 GMT
#8514
On January 10 2013 05:19 darkphantom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 04:56 mau5mat wrote:
On January 10 2013 04:14 darkphantom wrote:
hi
i need a good TvZ 1 Rax FE build that is safe and stable and goes into heavily upgraded marine tank :D ( no banshees harass) ?


Day9 Daily on Bombers TvZ build should be what you are looking for.


lol day9 bores me to hell do u have a written build order ?

and what do u think is better in todays's metagame pure bio or marine tank ?

Bomber's build is fast expand into quick double gas, reactor hellions, CC and then double upgrades, and then you move into standard marine-tank with a ton of barracks, 2 factories, and a starport. You take your third as soon as possible and push out at 2/2.
Taeja the one true Byunjwa~
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2143 Posts
January 10 2013 14:29 GMT
#8515
How do I defend early aggression with a CC first build? My 15 scout sees 3 barracks, 3-4 warpgates or gas with bane/roach warren?
IamNatural
Profile Joined November 2011
64 Posts
January 10 2013 15:04 GMT
#8516
^bunkers. And don't try to defend your natural. go up your ramp
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
January 10 2013 15:27 GMT
#8517
Since i've begun sc2 i used the filterSC guide in all matchups which just promoted to silver. Sometimes i tried Empire.Kas build with 3 CC's early and double upgrades. I learned alot of macro from both.

2 months in sc2, I think not attacking till the 10min mark is a bit boring and early aggression lets me dictate the gamepeace (slower tech opponent and mapcontrol). So i want to focus on some early aggression so i can practice some micro (stutterstep) and multitasking (micro/macro) at the same time. I want 3 builds that are not all-ins, 1 for each race, i was thinkin about :

TvZ: Proxy 2 rax into expand (Taeja/Marineking)
TvT: Thorzain build (looks alot like filterSC but with neath timings and can practise the tank micro/positioning)
TvP: 2 rax marauder/marine pressure into expand (marineking)

Are these 3 openings still viable strategies in sc2 atm?
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
Bwall
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden145 Posts
January 10 2013 15:37 GMT
#8518
On January 11 2013 00:27 govie wrote:
Since i've begun sc2 i used the filterSC guide in all matchups which just promoted to silver. Sometimes i tried Empire.Kas build with 3 CC's early and double upgrades. I learned alot of macro from both.

2 months in sc2, I think not attacking till the 10min mark is a bit boring and early aggression lets me dictate the gamepeace (slower tech opponent and mapcontrol). So i want to focus on some early aggression so i can practice some micro (stutterstep) and multitasking (micro/macro) at the same time. I want 3 builds that are not all-ins, 1 for each race, i was thinkin about :

TvZ: Proxy 2 rax into expand (Taeja/Marineking)
TvT: Thorzain build (looks alot like filterSC but with neath timings and can practise the tank micro/positioning)
TvP: 2 rax marauder/marine pressure into expand (marineking)

Are these 3 openings still viable strategies in sc2 atm?


Those are decent builds to start with, but I'll also recommend other builds that let's you practice pretty much the same thing.

TvP: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340463
I use this one and follow it up with +2 barracks and an engi bay for +1 attack after the cc, it's a great build that isn't all-in but has high chances of killing workers, and it requires a lot of multitasking. Your build is also good for practicing attacking while macroing, but it's used very rarely, the one I linked is more common for good reasons.

TvT: Any kind of banshee opening with a pretty fast expansion, I go gas first -> single banshee w/o cloak-> expo, that's another pretty common build and it's great for practicing attack+macroing. With the thorzain build you'll start attacking much later, but it's still a pretty good build.
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
January 10 2013 16:04 GMT
#8519
On January 11 2013 00:37 Bwall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 00:27 govie wrote:
Since i've begun sc2 i used the filterSC guide in all matchups which just promoted to silver. Sometimes i tried Empire.Kas build with 3 CC's early and double upgrades. I learned alot of macro from both.

2 months in sc2, I think not attacking till the 10min mark is a bit boring and early aggression lets me dictate the gamepeace (slower tech opponent and mapcontrol). So i want to focus on some early aggression so i can practice some micro (stutterstep) and multitasking (micro/macro) at the same time. I want 3 builds that are not all-ins, 1 for each race, i was thinkin about :

TvZ: Proxy 2 rax into expand (Taeja/Marineking)
TvT: Thorzain build (looks alot like filterSC but with neath timings and can practise the tank micro/positioning)
TvP: 2 rax marauder/marine pressure into expand (marineking)

Are these 3 openings still viable strategies in sc2 atm?


Those are decent builds to start with, but I'll also recommend other builds that let's you practice pretty much the same thing.

TvP: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340463
I use this one and follow it up with +2 barracks and an engi bay for +1 attack after the cc, it's a great build that isn't all-in but has high chances of killing workers, and it requires a lot of multitasking. Your build is also good for practicing attacking while macroing, but it's used very rarely, the one I linked is more common for good reasons.

TvT: Any kind of banshee opening with a pretty fast expansion, I go gas first -> single banshee w/o cloak-> expo, that's another pretty common build and it's great for practicing attack+macroing. With the thorzain build you'll start attacking much later, but it's still a pretty good build.


Thx for the tvp build, ill try it out asswell. The tvt banshee build i'm not fond off. I see banshees as a bad all-in against terran because marines can shoot air and are just so cheap. I myself have never had problems taking out early banshees when i did an 1raxFE and 2nd, I don't have upgrades with this build. Against terran is really hard to early harras as a terran seeing marines and bunkers (savable) are so cheap.. early pressure in tvt is just plain hard...
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2143 Posts
January 10 2013 16:07 GMT
#8520
On January 11 2013 00:04 IamNatural wrote:
^bunkers. And don't try to defend your natural. go up your ramp


I can't bunker in my natural?
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