The Terran Help Me Thread - Page 327

On February 02 2011 08:54 iEchoic wrote:

The composition basically works the same as muta/ling/bling, and has a similar playstyle.

- Blue flame hellions act as the banelings (they kill marines, and are disposable)
- Banshees act as the muta air-to-ground attack (cleaning up ground units after banelings hit)
- Vikings act as the muta air-to-air attack (holding air superiority).
- Should it get to that point, battlecruisers can act as broodlords, countering thors (although BCs are much easier to get and are also quite good vs marines)

This build works for the same reasons muta/ling/bling does, and as a result, it has the same properties as typical ZvT. This means that:

- This build is more powerful on longer rush distances due to the mobility advantage
- Keeping map awareness and map control is very important
- Losing air control is bad (similar to how losing all your mutas results in you being vulnerable to drops and banshees)

TL;DR: Play like a zerg player. Keep that mentality in mind.

On February 02 2011 08:54 iEchoic wrote:

Terran units have a lot of symmetry.

Units that shoot air units
Marine (countered by hellions)
Thor (countered by battlecruiser)
Viking (countered by having more vikings, which is easy when you have 2ports)
Ghosts (are terrible)

Only four good terran units actually shoot up (discounting the battlecruiser, because BC is only viable after vikings). These units are all countered by either hellions or air units. Creating air units necessitates the use of one of these three units, and each of these three units must be built in a mass such that they do not die before killing off all air units.

From there, notice:

Air attacks by units that attack air units
Marine (very fast attack speed, low damage)
Thor (fires multiple low-damage rockets)
Viking (fires multiple low-medium-damage rockets)

What does this mean for us? In a late-game composition, upgrading air armor is very strong, due to the low-damage attacks of these units. In addition, these three units are infantry, mech, and air, which makes upgrading all three of them incredibly inefficient. Any one to two of these can be hard-countered with ease.

What else? Two of the three of these attacks (thor, viking) are mitigated by PDD. Since we are using ravens for detection instead of turrets, we have a natural synergy here, and create little inefficiency.

On August 09 2012 05:34 saaaa wrote:
What is the proper reponse to blink stalker (3 or 4gate) if i went 5 naked rax?

is this a build order auto loss?

On August 09 2012 05:49 sc2proxy wrote:


The most important thing is to have bunkers at the chokepoint to your main/natural with SCVs nearby to repair. The second most important thing is to prevent an observer that would allow them to blink into your main, usually with turrets unless you're REALLY good at spotting cloaked units to scan and snipe with marines. Bunkers and turrets cost no gas so all your gas can be invested into tech labs that allow marauders and upgrades. Without a replay, its hard to know how early you could've obtained proper scouting info to pin him on a blink build and prepare, but I would say the time to get 2-3 bunkers at the front would take about a minute for SCV travel time + 40 second build time. Engineering bay takes 35 seconds to build and turrets take 25 seconds to build, totaling a full minute. With bunkers filled, you only need 4-5 marines in your main to snipe the observer (which requires 10 shots if my math is correct) before it allows a blink.

On August 09 2012 04:28 Marathi wrote:
How viable do people think sky terran is in TvT?

Does anyone have a good build order for it? I've been trying to transition into it from iEchoic 2fact2port but I feel like I need something with a fast expo in so I can build up a bigger army and just harass with banshees and hellion drops later on, rather than going pressure into 2nd CC

I am still having a really hard time vs the standard marine/tank/viking composition, I find myself to be quite comfortable with sky terran but it is just getting to that point of having a nice army before I get killed, I used to play 1rax FE in TvT into MMM but found myself dying to 1base tank pushes a lot so I quit it

On August 08 2012 03:43 decaf wrote:

Yes, actually I do. Thanks for reminding me~ got like 20BOs written down.

14CC
15rax
17rax
double OC
double gas
bunker at nat
fac
reactor
TL
rax
stim
fac -> reactor, 6 hellions
double reactor on raxes
starport
double medivac
~9min: 3rd CC, double ebay, double gas
~11min:tank production