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Shadowslayer
United States9 Posts
Is there anything that is good against that? Do I just need to get my colassi up faster? Should I try and get a contain? The people over at GameFAQs (where I mostly hang out) just say it's a bad strategy, so every time I loose to it I just feel incredibly demoralized. Replay for anyone interested (I'm shadowslayer): http://drop.sc/189589 EDIT: Almost forgot, I'm plat and he's diamond and this was on ladder. | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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TheExodus
293 Posts
Park your first immortal in the mineral line and it'll make quick work out of those hellions if they get close. | ||
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Allred
United States352 Posts
On June 02 2012 01:53 Shadowslayer wrote: Every time someone goes 1 base colassi all-in against me I just get absolutely dominated. Is there anything that is good against that? Do I just need to get my colassi up faster? Should I try and get a contain? The people over at GameFAQs (where I mostly hang out) just say it's a bad strategy, so every time I loose to it I just feel incredibly demoralized. Replay for anyone interested (I'm shadowslayer): http://drop.sc/189589 EDIT: Almost forgot, I'm plat and he's diamond and this was on ladder. there are quite a few ways to kill a collosi 1 base play. If you opened star gate if he is stupid he will build collosi and you can just snipe the collasi with phoenix for example. if you don't open stargate and opened robo getting a good spread of your units will help ie. don't fight in a choke or your ramp ie try and fight out in the open with a good spread, you can also delay his push if you go warp prism etc... if you have expanded stop probe production and chrono out units for a bit to have enough stuff... just my few thoughts... | ||
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TheExodus
293 Posts
On June 02 2012 01:53 Shadowslayer wrote: Every time someone goes 1 base colassi all-in against me I just get absolutely dominated. Is there anything that is good against that? Do I just need to get my colassi up faster? Should I try and get a contain? The people over at GameFAQs (where I mostly hang out) just say it's a bad strategy, so every time I loose to it I just feel incredibly demoralized. Replay for anyone interested (I'm shadowslayer): http://drop.sc/189589 EDIT: Almost forgot, I'm plat and he's diamond and this was on ladder. Standard gateway units along with a few immortals will crush one-base colossus. Get +1 weapons if you have the time and if he allows you to get blink as well you will completely dominate him. | ||
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La1
United Kingdom659 Posts
On June 01 2012 21:55 La1 wrote: Hey all i quit at season 2 and recently started playing again recently, I am currently low master and when i quit we had a lot of smaller maps where you could put on eariler pressure, espc in pvz however i can't seem to put ANY pressure on now. It seems gateway openings are completley redundent.. does anybody have or still use gateway openings? I Lost to a zerg the other night and he told me they are basically crap and nobody should ever use them! so does anybody know any early pressure builds? should i make my own? i dont like the fact zerg get 3 bases for free now.. i dont want a 2 base all in but i want to do somthing that will slow them down which they have to react to. bump  | ||
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Salivanth
Australia1071 Posts
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MatthewRock
Poland11 Posts
How to deal with Stephano Ling/Roach 12 minute maxout? | ||
Teoita
Italy12247 Posts
On June 03 2012 00:33 MatthewRock wrote: It may have been asked, but... How to deal with Stephano Ling/Roach 12 minute maxout? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=327905 | ||
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scares
Germany239 Posts
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Teoita
Italy12247 Posts
On June 03 2012 00:36 Elthreann wrote: whats the best way to deal with proxy 2 rax marine all in ? Wall off your ramp with two gates and a pylon to keep the scv's from coming into your base and chronoboost stalkers out. Alternatively you can try kiting him across the map to pick off marines, but that requires really solid micro; walling off is easier by far. | ||
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Avean
Norway449 Posts
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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ellsworth
United States30 Posts
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ellsworth
United States30 Posts
On June 02 2012 03:25 TheExodus wrote: Standard gateway units along with a few immortals will crush one-base colossus. Get +1 weapons if you have the time and if he allows you to get blink as well you will completely dominate him. Or just get blink obs with a later blink on maps like entombed in favor of 2 immortals and once you have the better army with blink, start late colos production. Skip lance and the guy who went for em first will loose | ||
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Teoita
Italy12247 Posts
On June 03 2012 04:06 ellsworth wrote: So here I am in gold league and I do not know how to deal with zerg. I do not have a safe build and I can not kill max roach if they do it. What to do? I suggest first learning this build http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=325014, and moving onto the robo builds here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=327905 when you have the first one down. | ||
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recklessfire
United States373 Posts
im not saying gate expands are not viable, but if the zerg defends any kind of early pressure w/ minimum losses, he will have a superior economy thus very big army in the mid game, he can just straight up overrun with you heavy upgrade roaches. Compared to a FFE, you will have less probes, less infrastructure, less army supply in the mid game using gate expand. There's just no way to match the economic power of FFE using the standard gate expand. I just recently switched back to FFE, i was gate expanding every pvz and i was using liquid'tyler's zealot sentry pressure that pushed out around 7:20. It can have like 4-6 sentries with 3-5 zealots, depends on what many of which unit you want. This attack can do quite a bit of damage if the zerg went for a very quick third, and you can definitely force out roaches, but if they dont take a quick third, i suggest you dont even consider attacking with this force. edit: i feel like in a BoX series, a gate expand build that leads into some timings that zergs aren't familiar with can win you a game or two, but as a standard build in pvz it's not that good. | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
Here are some variations of Gate expands detailed or discussed on TL: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253932 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=296273 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334564 Parenthetically, it's sweet that Protoss have so many good guide writers. The Brotoss sure do talk to each other alot. | ||
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Jaziek
United Kingdom27 Posts
http://www.mediafire.com/?c3he2ig4mqzcsnt Here is a pack of 7 replays of me trying to execute a 6 gate attack. I win 4 of them, and I lose 3. My problem is that I can't really tell what I do well in the ones that I win that I don't do well in the ones that I lose. I end up feeling like me winning is purely based on how bad the zerg is, rather than what I did particularly right or wrong. So, I need advice in general on how to execute the build properly, and I'd also like to know what massive errors I made that lead to me losing in some of the above games. I feel like the macro element was pretty consistent (that is not to say that it was good, just that I always ended up with a similar amount of probes) throughout all the games. My gates go up at similar times, and my gate tech finishes at a relatively similar time in all of the games (although I feel like it could be a lot faster than it usually ends up being.) The timing of warpgate finishing was what I initially felt was losing me games, but when I go back and look at the replays, I see that some of the ones where it finishes really late, I still end up winning, so it must be something else that I'm just not seeing. | ||
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Abusion
United Kingdom184 Posts
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