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Toastyzeus
Australia34 Posts
PvZ: FFE: 4:15 Double gas 5:00 Cybercore 6:00 Warpgate / +1 Ground 6:40 Robo 7:25 6 Gates 9:00 Sentry Stalker Zeal Attack PvT: 1 Gate Expo 2:00 Gas (14) 3:00 Cyber Core 5:00 Expo 5:15 Gas 5:30 Robo 6:00 2 Gateways 6:50 Robo bay 7:15 Double gas 8:15 Thermal Lance 9:30 4 Gateways 11-12 Collo Gate Attack PvP: Gate Robo Gate 2:00 Gas (14) 3:00 Cyber Core 3:30 Gas 4:30 Robo 5:00 Gate 6:30 Twilight Council 7:30 2 Gateways 10-11 Blink Stalker Zeal Attack | ||
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TheExodus
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Toastyzeus
Australia34 Posts
What does he do? | ||
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SkyBlaze
Canada191 Posts
On May 25 2012 17:32 Toastyzeus wrote: LENGTHY POST, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THESE BUILDS (note, they don't contain all buildings or steps, just the basic layout, refer to the build "name", general timings like 9 pylon and 12 gate still apply, etc. : + Show Spoiler + PvZ: FFE: 4:15 Double gas 5:00 Cybercore 6:00 Warpgate / +1 Ground 6:40 Robo 7:25 6 Gates 9:00 Sentry Stalker Zeal Attack PvT: 1 Gate Expo 2:00 Gas (14) 3:00 Cyber Core 5:00 Expo 5:15 Gas 5:30 Robo 6:00 2 Gateways 6:50 Robo bay 7:15 Double gas 8:15 Thermal Lance 9:30 4 Gateways 11-12 Collo Gate Attack PvP: Gate Robo Gate 2:00 Gas (14) 3:00 Cyber Core 3:30 Gas 4:30 Robo 5:00 Gate 6:30 Twilight Council 7:30 2 Gateways 10-11 Blink Stalker Zeal Attack For PvT build I usual Double gas(2 probe on each gas) when 1gate expand on KR now, the 1 gate 1gas expo is kinda out of date or more dangerous now. For the PvP same as the PvT gases knida out of out date for me. For the gas timings can be the different can still get enough for the stalker and warp at the same time. The gas timings can be like the no scout one which i don't like, or a 16 double gas if you know are doing with scout on 9. On May 25 2012 17:22 andas wrote: + Show Spoiler + How do I deal with an marine-scv all-in when I 20 Nexus? I had 2 chronoed stalkers up when he attacked and one gate, WG 50 % complete, more probes than him. Is it BO-loss or is it some way to get out of it. I scouted that he had no gas and nothing on the barracks, so I assumed early expand and felt pretty safe. 1st stalker scouted it, but not in time to build buildings on the choke as I had no pylon there yet. you would need a replay for this one please =p small things are important for these kind of all-ins for early expos. | ||
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TheExodus
293 Posts
On May 25 2012 17:58 Toastyzeus wrote: "Into creatorprime" explain? What does he do? It's mid/lategame strategy, done by CreatorPrime and other and popularized by Monk. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=292549 | ||
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Rimak
Denmark434 Posts
On May 25 2012 17:32 Toastyzeus wrote: LENGTHY POST, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THESE BUILDS (note, they don't contain all buildings or steps, just the basic layout, refer to the build "name", general timings like 9 pylon and 12 gate still apply, etc. : PvZ - it's okay, but have you tried Heroic FFE into 4g+1 >6GRobo? Also there is unfamous sentry-immortal allin. Personal play: FFE into Sky Toss, so much joy. PvT I don't actually know when i take my expo by the time, I'm more looking for the food. 1gExpo is good And I'm doing similar Two colossi timing, but also taking a 3rd, while pressure the T. After 3 colo, usually drop templars and after 4th colosi transition into deathball. Yours is similar, so yea it's working fine for me. PvP Robo-Twilight is pretty much standart for PvP, but 1gate into tech is not always safe and I've moved to 3stalker opening, after some very painful loses to 4wgp (i know 2 gate robo can hold it, but my pvp suck) For midgame - DT FE, gave me really solid foundation for the play. | ||
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TheExodus
293 Posts
On May 25 2012 20:57 Rimak wrote: PvZ - it's okay, but have you tried Heroic FFE into 4g+1 >6GRobo? Also there is unfamous sentry-immortal allin. Personal play: FFE into Sky Toss, so much joy. PvT I don't actually know when i take my expo by the time, I'm more looking for the food. 1gExpo is good And I'm doing similar Two colossi timing, but also taking a 3rd, while pressure the T. After 3 colo, usually drop templars and after 4th colosi transition into deathball. Yours is similar, so yea it's working fine for me. PvP Robo-Twilight is pretty much standart for PvP, but 1gate into tech is not always safe and I've moved to 3stalker opening, after some very painful loses to 4wgp (i know 2 gate robo can hold it, but my pvp suck) For midgame - DT FE, gave me really solid foundation for the play. I just want to point out that robo before adding on the second and third gates is unsafe and non-optimal, and that early facility probably means you have to cut units or lots of probes. | ||
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Rimak
Denmark434 Posts
On May 25 2012 21:43 TheExodus wrote: I just want to point out that robo before adding on the second and third gates is unsafe and non-optimal, and that early facility probably means you have to cut units or lots of probes. Robo before 2nd gate was very frequently used in PvT, before MC's 1gate fe. It's somehow considered safer, but i really think it's not. So as i said above 1 gate into tech is still risky. | ||
Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On May 25 2012 21:43 TheExodus wrote: I just want to point out that robo before adding on the second and third gates is unsafe and non-optimal, and that early facility probably means you have to cut units or lots of probes. Not necessarily, see alej's post here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302117 That's a fucking hard build to do right though, im low master and i always end up 5 seconds behind alej's timings -.- Oh and pvt yeah, 1gate fe into robo is a bit risky. | ||
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On May 26 2012 03:30 Logros wrote: I'm getting back into Protoss after a long break (~2 seasons). What are some good standard builds for PvT/PvZ/PvP at the moment that I can look in to? I was masters before I stopped playing if it makes any difference. PvT: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=292549, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=312133 or even http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319339 (not as standard but still very viable) PvZ: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=327905 or http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=318708 for macro games, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333477 for timings. PvP: blink obs is ok on most maps, otherwise phoenix play or immortal expand are quite popular. If you want to play a macro game always go double robo colossus on 2 bases, any other composition is inferior in some way. | ||
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JaxxUK
20 Posts
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CrazyF1r3f0x
United States2120 Posts
On May 26 2012 08:30 JaxxUK wrote: If I go for a FFE and the zerg goes and takes my natural. What should me response be? Mass up cannons to destroy the natural? Quickly wall off natural then a few cannons etc? Im always afraid they will rush with roaches. Make two cannons at your wall (they should be able to attack the hatchery--if it completes, try to target the larvae so Zerg can't build any roaches or zerglings); most of the time this is just to delay your nexus, so continue your tech (Add gases, get gates ect) until the natural is unblocked. Though honestly you want to try your best to block the hatch from starting in the first place (by far this is the best solution), if a drone is hanging around your natural try to block it so it can't make a hatch--if necessary send a second probe from the main to dispatch it so you can build your nexus. | ||
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bailando
Germany332 Posts
how is it with toss? and what counts? only robo/stargate/warpgate or also templararchive/darktemplarbuilding too? | ||
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waspen94
Sweden27 Posts
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Salivanth
Australia1071 Posts
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Toastyzeus
Australia34 Posts
So does anybody have something like drewbies guide, but for protoss? http://www.complexitygaming.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4456 I'm looking for something like this, but I cant find anything like it D: EDIT: Broken link | ||
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
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TheExodus
293 Posts
On May 26 2012 17:28 Toastyzeus wrote: Those builds I posted arent really doing it for me, im losing to people 1-2 league below me.. So does anybody have something like drewbies guide, but for protoss? http://www.complexitygaming.com/foru...ead.php?t=4456 I'm looking for something like this, but I cant find anything like it D: Link is broken, but have a look at this series; | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On May 26 2012 17:28 Toastyzeus wrote: Those builds I posted arent really doing it for me, im losing to people 1-2 league below me.. So does anybody have something like drewbies guide, but for protoss? http://www.complexitygaming.com/foru...ead.php?t=4456 I'm looking for something like this, but I cant find anything like it D: Look at the link you copied down and realize that its been truncated but you copied the "..." anyways http://www.complexitygaming.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4456 Looks like it. I'll repeat, the protoss blue posters in this forum are good starts and the [G] guides they write are comparable in depth to the one you linked to from drewbie. | ||
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