EPTHow should I react to pure zealot/cannon? just micro better? rush for a sentry instead?
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hooahah
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How should I react to pure zealot/cannon? just micro better? rush for a sentry instead? | ||
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CrazyF1r3f0x
United States2120 Posts
On May 28 2012 00:04 hooahah wrote: I got cheesed twice today by a double gateway constant zealot into cannon rush play - I walled off both times, once with a pylon/cyber/pylon and once with pylon/pylon/pylon, and rushed for a Stalker. I failed miserably both times, though with better micro and desicion making I would've held it the 2nd time. How should I react to pure zealot/cannon? just micro better? rush for a sentry instead? post replays, that will make it much easier to help you. | ||
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LeeDawg
United States1306 Posts
On May 27 2012 22:37 hooahah wrote: what Ace did in the GSL U/D vs BboongBboong - abuse the Broodlords immobility and harass/take out bases, then recall back to safety to save your forces recall is an ability on the mothership. he's asking what to do when there IS no mommaship | ||
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OskO
Argentina369 Posts
On May 28 2012 01:47 LeeDawg wrote: recall is an ability on the mothership. he's asking what to do when there IS no mommaship It's planned to become a Nexus spell once the Mothership gets removed from the game, as far as we know. EDIT: Source, just in case.- | ||
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hooahah
3752 Posts
On May 28 2012 01:41 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote: post replays, that will make it much easier to help you. watched the replays now...first game I saw the early probe, should have just searched for the proxy gateways instead of rushing for a stalker&walling off second game I should have had better micro (focus fire & kiting), and taken out that probe ASAP. http://drop.sc/187266 - 2nd game if you still want to see, have any tips as to how I should approach this double gateway no gas opening oh well, more GG more skill | ||
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CrazyF1r3f0x
United States2120 Posts
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saer
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Ksquared
United States1748 Posts
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saer
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There are many fast 3rd builds currently being created by pro players, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=327905 this thread gives lots of information and if you check out some of the series with MC or Squirtle vs Stephano from the Red Bull Lan they showcase some great followups. In general you want to get both gases in your main as soon as you get your wall up with the cannon and gateway, then you want to go up to around 4 gates and some sort of tech, then take a third or add more production if you're planning to be aggressive. | ||
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Ksquared
United States1748 Posts
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saer
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Another good tactic is to forcefield in a circle shape which will crush many roaches into a small space and AoE becomes incredibly effective. A good way to think of it is that there are three types of good forcefields: blocking all roaches out, sectioning some off, blocking all of them in. You want to block them all out when you have a much smaller force, you are only buying time for your production because you're not killing any of their units. If you have an even or slightly smaller force you want to cut off a section and you are trading sentry energy for a bigger army advantage. Cutting off their retreat is for when you have a much larger army and aren't concerned about losing anything, you just want to make sure they do not escape. | ||
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elctrc_wzrd
Canada61 Posts
http://drop.sc/187376 | ||
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LGcube
Sweden10 Posts
User was warned for editing out his warning. | ||
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Docta Spaceman
United States74 Posts
On May 28 2012 13:31 elctrc_wzrd wrote: Ok so as per usual I've been getting absolutely stomped by the Stephano roach/ling push. I'm going for the robo and fast third opener around 9:30 (for the third). Here are 3 replays of my recent games. I really need help its pretty painful requesting my zerg buddies to do it over and over and it works every time. Was it my rampant use of forcefields at the engagement? I thought I did well keeping up my macro till the point of the attack. If it matters I am a masters toss just recently. http://drop.sc/187376 On the simplest of levels, you walled in at your natural, put a bunch of cannons at your third, then picked the fight right out in the open, and used all your FF's immediately. You were still sitting on 4 gates (with only 2 more coming) and one robo. You can't expect to take that fight vs. the roach push out in the open. On that map, I like to completely wall the third (full gateway wall, 3-4 cannons behind, and 2-3 pylons behind that. Maybe that's too much, but hell it's worked so far. I think you can fight at your natural ramp if you focus on conservative FF placement. So the zerg can't run into your natural, obviously, he won't be able to come through the rocks at the third (since the gateways are like super effective force fields), and if he tries to run up your third ramp you can just cut him up with FF's. Here's a replay that I'm giving you just to illustrate what I'm talking about. This wasn't perfect by any means, and I probably made too many cannons, and the zerg wasn't the best at the max, excuses, blah blah blah, but it worked. I'm diamond, but this zerg player was masters (I was having a good ladder day ^^). http://drop.sc/187385 Please someone tell me if I'm wrong, I'd love advice as well. | ||
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LGcube
Sweden10 Posts
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-MoOsE-
United States236 Posts
Is there anything I can do in this position? or do I just have to take the losses. | ||
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GrassEater
Sweden417 Posts
On May 29 2012 05:47 -MoOsE- wrote: ok so I scouted this terran going for a gas opening with my probe. I then proceed to scout his unit comp to determine what he is going for 1/1/1, 2 rax etc, and as soon as I move out a reaper comes into my main. I cant do anything in this position as my units are half way across the map and I have only probe right now and a sentry on the way. Is there anything I can do in this position? or do I just have to take the losses. You can see if he do an effective 2 rax since it needs to build 2:nd rax b4 2:nd depo. If he builds depo to trap probe then you know 2 rax is delayed by maybe 10 s so you can be safe going 1 gate exp into 3gate robo. | ||
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-MoOsE-
United States236 Posts
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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GrassEater
Sweden417 Posts
On May 29 2012 06:06 -MoOsE- wrote: still that only rules out one build and not even that (it could be delayed) I feel like I still need to do the zealot stalker poke I dont like poking vs gasopenings and i dont really se the point, but i dont feel that i am good enough to say do this or do that. Sacking the scouting probe and count marines can give intel to. | ||
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