The Protoss Help Me Thread - Page 100

On November 07 2011 06:58 SkaPunk wrote:
Can we get a picture to a few different ffe building placements on antiga are? Also a replay of them holding off 6 pools.

On November 07 2011 06:57 Xenomorph wrote:


Most of the time I see a lot of mass sling into mass roach so its odd getting a gate army that can deal with both on a 2-3 base without getting rolled.

On November 07 2011 14:38 Mitchlew wrote:
Can somebody link me to good openings and transitions against Z. My usual stargate openings seem to have been worked out too well. Preferably something with blink / 6 gate pressure into expansion / tech. Ty.

On November 07 2011 13:14 Selendis wrote:

Any good tips on making sure you don't skip/delay warp-ins?

While I'm never so bad as to skip a warp-in entirely I often find myself behind a couple of seconds in the midgame (2+ bases and 6+ gates but well before 200/200 supply) and it really frustrates me knowing I could have won by now if that 600 post-warp-in mineral count was in zealots instead of in my bank account.

Are there any good customs specifically designed to help with this? Or any good in-game tricks to remember? Or should I just keep hitting "w" every couple of milliseconds?

On November 03 2011 19:09 mizU wrote:


Mass banshee-marine is VERY difficult to deal with as an early all-in though...

Especially when they mix in a raven.
I still have trouble with it. Recently I barely won a game even after I made like 5 defensive cannons... I did lose my natural though. But at a certain point you can just counter with pure stalker if you defend. But I still have trouble with it. T.T

On November 07 2011 16:40 coL.rsvp wrote:


Even though he has 2 more bases than you, you could potentially still have a stronger army than him. If that is the case, then you can move out before 200 supply/deathball status, and try to kill the nearest mining expo he has while simultaenously sending zealots to another one of his expansions. Meanwhile you would leave a HT in each of your own mining bases, and possible some stalkers as well depending on how many mutas he has. Of course it can be hard to tell who has the army advantage but if you've been pretty successful in defending against the muta harass without losing too many stalkers/probes and managing to kill off some mutas and still getting your 3rd base relatively fast you should have the army advantage.

Your army composition should basically be zeal/stalker/ht against pure muta/ling. Don't preemptively make too many archons if any. Spend the gas on more stalkers, and keep a decent number of HT around (I usually keep around 3-4 with my army at this point but you could have more/less if you wish). You should only make archons after you storm, or if for some reason you have a ton of gas around. If he has tech switched to roaches then you would want to add in immortals.

If however you're behind, you should instead play defensively and try to secure a 4th while teching to a more late game comp. He should not be able to kill you with pure muta/ling, so he'll probably eventually get hive tech and add in brood lords or ultras so you have to prepare for that. So teching to something like colossus and/or voids and/or carriers and/or motherships is good.

On November 07 2011 23:13 Supah wrote:


Strange how I asked this right before Hero played against it on Tal'darim. Hero does exactly what you said to do, but he still ended up losing, and it wasn't even from a BL/Ultra tech switch- he literally got Mutaling'd to death. It's an interesting game to watch, for sure.

Just a couple questions based on this line.. How come it's better to not make Archons? Is the threat of Storm that great? It seems like they're a great unit considering the mass ling mineral dump, as well as if you're late on reacting to a Roach switch. I suppose it is cheaper to use HTs though, and they help with army positioning a lot better than Archons do. What happens on a map that has a bitch of a fourth to take, something like Tal'darim? Is it worth it trying to snipe expos if they're cross map from each other, or would you recommend controlling the middle and just relying on the cost effectiveness of your units and eventually marching straight into the main? Sorry, lots of questions, haha. But lastly, do you think going for mass armor is preferable to trying to max damage?

On November 08 2011 05:01 Whitewing wrote:


He didn't say a 1/1/1, he said a marine/banshee all-in with a raven, like 2 port banshee. In that case, you DO need cannons, although I don't like stalkers against it, I much prefer throwing down a stargate and getting some phoenixes out with a heavy zealot count.