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DCSemi
Canada10 Posts
On August 20 2011 04:53 Adrenaline Seed wrote: It appears you have the essential mechanics to perform the build your just choosing not to. Alright cool. At least, I got that part that is positive  I'll work on the rest! I'm a bit confused what to do AFTER the push, but I guess I'll work harder on the build Thanks A. Seed | ||
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Adrenaline Seed
United States194 Posts
On August 20 2011 08:07 DCSemi wrote: Alright cool. At least, I got that part that is positive I'll work on the rest! I'm a bit confused what to do AFTER the push, but I guess I'll work harder on the build Thanks A. Seed I have a feeling that thinking about what to do after the push might be whats deterring your focus. Lets try to make it that far first and watch as things appear to fall in line. | ||
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dynwar7
1983 Posts
What is your push fails? What should you transition to? And when to build second CC and gas? Maybe you can go transition to Mech, BFH, or even more Rax? | ||
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Adrenaline Seed
United States194 Posts
On August 20 2011 23:19 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote: So you are recommending to push at 6:40 where you have 50+ food. What is your push fails? What should you transition to? And when to build second CC and gas? Maybe you can go transition to Mech, BFH, or even more Rax? What you do after the push is up to you, it is irrelevant to the training. You want to use the build in ladder to ensue you can do it under pressure is all before moving on to Phase 2. When your done with Phase 3 learning a real build will be much easier. If your in silver there will not often be anything to do after the push which means you will be in gold - plat soon and ready to start using new build orders. | ||
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apek1217
United States1 Post
I was playing sc2 right after release for a few months until my comp just couldn't handle it anymore and i decided to stop playing until i could get a new comp. some stuff hit the fan and i couldn't play for ten months D: ( started again a few days ago) before i left i was consistently winning but now i just lose over and over haha. this has helped so much i'm currently working hard on phase one and soon to start phase two. thanks so much!! | ||
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iMMortaL.797
United States94 Posts
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valentine1
Australia129 Posts
I play on the SEA server predominantly so can't really get onto the NA server at the right times, but I'll check back here to see how it's all progressing. Keep updating it because it's awesome! Thanks again ^_^ | ||
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Dice T
United States5 Posts
I'd be very happy to help others train on NA: Dice.179 | ||
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UnderOath1617
United States1 Post
Name: UnderOath Code: 264 | ||
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DCSemi
Canada10 Posts
I focused on just "NAILING THE BUILD". No "What I'll do next". Just doing the build. Simple enough! And it worked! In one of the game, I donno what happened but my SCV all stopped and I lost my focus right away. Soon after, I was like "calm down, you'll get this stuff right", and I did. I'm pretty proud of that. I've been following this thread since it's creation and I remarked I was the only one who posted replays to get helped. Guess what? I'll do it again! So, if anyone wanna see what I just did tonight, feel free to do so! When I started, I was 34th in my Division. After that nice streak, I was 10th, 2 shy from Top 8. For some, it may not represent a lot, but for me, it is! Like I said in earlier posts, feel free to add me and we might be able to practice together. UncleCarlos.549 Thanks again A.Seed, I really feel like I did VERY well in those replays Game #1: http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/8350/UncleCarlos_vs_Cridwill Game #2: http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/8351/UncleCarlos_vs_Pedro Game #3: http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/8352/UncleCarlos_vs_Hellionprime Game #4: http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/8353/SOTGHALZ_vs_UncleCarlos Game #5: http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/8354/UncleCarlos_vs_PooButt I'm very proud since I won against a Top Gold player, and a Top Silver player. booyah!  | ||
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Adrenaline Seed
United States194 Posts
On August 24 2011 10:04 DCSemi wrote: Thanks again A.Seed, I really feel like I did VERY well in those replays Game #1: http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/8350/UncleCarlos_vs_Cridwill Game #2: http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/8351/UncleCarlos_vs_Pedro Game #3: http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/8352/UncleCarlos_vs_Hellionprime Game #4: http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/8353/SOTGHALZ_vs_UncleCarlos Game #5: http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/8354/UncleCarlos_vs_PooButt I'm very proud since I won against a Top Gold player, and a Top Silver player. booyah! Now this is what I want to see! I see some discipline here and it is leading to results! Now I can give you some actual pointers as there is only a couple things that need adjustment. Your reaching 50+ food generally around the mid 7 minute mark. Imagine if you had all this food at 6:40 and could push out then, every second counts against your opponent's defense with your opening push. There is only 2 reasons this is happening which are easy to spot when watching your own replays. You build the 3rd Racks too late, sometimes far too late. It should go down at about 70% of completion on your 2nd Rax. Easy fix. Your having problems managing supply, almost always building 2 even 3 supply depots at once instead of one at a time. This costs 200 - 300 minerals instead of 100 which is detrimental at the start of the game. You will see how detrimental when you get your rax down in time and run out of money. Think of it this way, once you start the 3rd supply depot, you are never going to stop making them, build one right after the 3rd finishes and continue doing this until you lose units in a battle. I would say there are only 2 things you need to focus on right now. Improve that scv production a bit more, and try to never get supply blocked (causing you to have to build more than one depot at once) until at least you have a 2nd base down (usually you will have won by then). Once you get into mid game it gets harder and harder to manage supply but it is less detrimental to your eco and your army size. | ||
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FeastyOwlEgg
Netherlands2 Posts
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DCSemi
Canada10 Posts
On August 25 2011 05:03 Adrenaline Seed wrote: Now this is what I want to see! I see some discipline here and it is leading to results! Now I can give you some actual pointers as there is only a couple things that need adjustment. Your reaching 50+ food generally around the mid 7 minute mark. Imagine if you had all this food at 6:40 and could push out then, every second counts against your opponent's defense with your opening push. There is only 2 reasons this is happening which are easy to spot when watching your own replays. You build the 3rd Racks too late, sometimes far too late. It should go down at about 70% of completion on your 2nd Rax. Easy fix. Your having problems managing supply, almost always building 2 even 3 supply depots at once instead of one at a time. This costs 200 - 300 minerals instead of 100 which is detrimental at the start of the game. You will see how detrimental when you get your rax down in time and run out of money. Think of it this way, once you start the 3rd supply depot, you are never going to stop making them, build one right after the 3rd finishes and continue doing this until you lose units in a battle. I would say there are only 2 things you need to focus on right now. Improve that scv production a bit more, and try to never get supply blocked (causing you to have to build more than one depot at once) until at least you have a 2nd base down (usually you will have won by then). Once you get into mid game it gets harder and harder to manage supply but it is less detrimental to your eco and your army size. Whoa! Thanks for all those tips, i'll try to fix my mistakes when i'll get on the ladder tomorrow. Can't wait to try this stuff hehe! Many many thanks A.Seed And yeah, i always get supply blocked and it tilts me haha! | ||
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Bluemalice
United States6 Posts
I can tell already that this is going to be the missing link in our games and our path to improvement. We've been doing pretty well against Toss and Zerg with a good win percentage. Terran has been an absolute nightmare for me mostly. He does a little better than me at Terran but still our worst matchup. He practiced for a while on AI tonight then hopped on ladder to try phase 1 out and won 5 games in a row putting him finally at #1 bronze. They were all against silver players too. I'm #8 bronze right now and have only run a couple of practice games so far against AI. Granted we were doing ok for our first season ever but I can tell this practice routine will be the linchpin to success for us. My cousin's apm (we don't spam anything so it's a good measurement for us of how well we're keeping up with stuff and improving) went up 20 points; from 40 to 60, in one night just doing phase 1 and having a really clear idea of a build. Looking forward to working this in and having lots of success. Thanks to the OP for this post. Really grateful! (sorry if I'm rambling a bit. worked 12 hours and way past my bed time!) | ||
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sayu
Germany5 Posts
On August 20 2011 23:19 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote: So you are recommending to push at 6:40 where you have 50+ food. What is your push fails? What should you transition to? And when to build second CC and gas? Maybe you can go transition to Mech, BFH, or even more Rax? not sure if my advise is wanted(might be considered spam AND I'm inexperienced myself) but when the push fails, you have at least crippled their army and part of their tech. I thought of 2 options from there on: if he has an exp up, expand yourself, if not, build an additional refinery , and an engineering bay at the same time to start an upgrade. then push again as soon as the upgrade is finished. | ||
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DCSemi
Canada10 Posts
To have played about 20 games using that build, that's *generally* what happened to me. | ||
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Bluemalice
United States6 Posts
My cousin went 15 wins in a row with this today then lost two and won two for a total of 17 and 2. The 2 losses were just from doing the build wrong and making a couple of serious blunders early on in the build order. Easily corrected. For anyone that doubts the power of this practice build, it is amazing for teaching you how to properly execute a build and seeing/feeling the synergy of a proper build as it comes together. My cousin started at about 6th or 7th place bronze about 50 points behind #1 in his division. The next to last game of this session he was over 200 points ahead of the previous first place player. The last game he won, he was promoted to silver and not only that but 1st place in his silver division. My guess is it wanted to promo him to gold but it doesn't do that any longer. He beat several gold level players during this win streak. I started practicing this myself tonight against AI and won 3 in a row laddering. At first it was really difficult for me to get the build exactly right. I got a big piece of white paper and wrote the build order down with a sharpie. I kept that sheet right in front of me while I played. By my third game, I was pushing out at 6:40 with 49 supply and typically around 54 or 55 by the time I got to the opponents base. I can literally FEEL when I'm doing wrong after practicing this or when I make a mistake because the synergy goes away. I never realized until now how important it is to have a proper build order and execute it perfectly. This opened my eyes just from this one little exercise. Previously I just used the general idea of a build order to win games and did fairly well in bronze with about a 70% win percentage. This proves how important sticking to a build religiously is for growth and learning. Thanks again! Just thought I'd post the success we're having with it. | ||
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Bluemalice
United States6 Posts
On August 26 2011 07:09 sayu wrote: not sure if my advise is wanted(might be considered spam AND I'm inexperienced myself) but when the push fails, you have at least crippled their army and part of their tech. I thought of 2 options from there on: if he has an exp up, expand yourself, if not, build an additional refinery , and an engineering bay at the same time to start an upgrade. then push again as soon as the upgrade is finished. When the push fails, we just continue to rally up outside the natural and prevent an expo while poking and doing what pressure/damage we can. Back at home we're expo'ing ourselves and transitioning to whatever will hard counter what we're seeing with our pokes. Sometimes what we're already making is perfect so just add more supply, expo, keep pumping units and get medivacs. With the expo you can double the amount of marauder/marine production almost while adding in medivacs. It's pretty amazing and a quick route to 200/200. | ||
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FMJ
United States169 Posts
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VoirDire
Sweden1923 Posts
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