EPTBased on some of the comments here, and the reduced effectiveness I am starting to see, I think it's time that I move on to a more advanced build, or builds. There are so many out there, I am lost on what to do. I'd appreciate some recommendations from high-level players. FWIW my APM is only about 50 on average, so I need something not too micro-intensive. I'm 40 and not getting any faster.
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Tuplex
80 Posts
Based on some of the comments here, and the reduced effectiveness I am starting to see, I think it's time that I move on to a more advanced build, or builds. There are so many out there, I am lost on what to do. I'd appreciate some recommendations from high-level players. FWIW my APM is only about 50 on average, so I need something not too micro-intensive. I'm 40 and not getting any faster. | ||
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KenDM
Netherlands206 Posts
On September 14 2011 13:29 Tuplex wrote: I've been using the 3-rax with great success, but I'm starting to hit a wall with it. I'm top gold and playing pretty much all platinums, so I think I'm close to promotion, but now my 6:40 push is almost always held off, if not destroyed (happens pretty often, I am too stupid to know when not to attack apparently). Based on some of the comments here, and the reduced effectiveness I am starting to see, I think it's time that I move on to a more advanced build, or builds. There are so many out there, I am lost on what to do. I'd appreciate some recommendations from high-level players. FWIW my APM is only about 50 on average, so I need something not too micro-intensive. I'm 40 and not getting any faster. Not to spam. But 40 and still playing games. And not just any ordinary shooter, but Starcraft II, on Gold. I'm 23 and I've played games all my life (not RTS though), and I'm still stuck in Bronze league... ! I wish I could keep up like you! | ||
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kaotikuk
United Kingdom10 Posts
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KenDM
Netherlands206 Posts
On September 15 2011 20:08 kaotikuk wrote: can you actually get into platinum by using only this build though? You can if you keep at it and if you keep looking for improvement in your build. But as soon as you hit that high league wall you will have to adjust and if like me you're not used to the mid and late game, you're gong to have a tough time. And it's more fun to try and play the mid/late game with more unit variation, upgrades etcetera  | ||
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srkishy
United States4 Posts
Also, you will have much more difficulty vZ and vT with this, it's meant to be a good opener vP. It can work against zerg and terran, but there are certainly better choices. However, this build also isn't meant to just win you games, it's meant to teach you some discipline and better mechanics, hope everyone else is enjoying it as much as I am! | ||
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Adrenaline Seed
United States194 Posts
The point of the story is that when you make big changes in your play in order to improve expect to get some losses, this is not one of those games (WOW) where your rewarded simply for playing the game, you must earn your experience. | ||
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Xper1mental
Sweden3 Posts
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Xper1mental
Sweden3 Posts
On September 14 2011 13:29 Tuplex wrote: I've been using the 3-rax with great success, but I'm starting to hit a wall with it. I'm top gold and playing pretty much all platinums, so I think I'm close to promotion, but now my 6:40 push is almost always held off, if not destroyed (happens pretty often, I am too stupid to know when not to attack apparently). My advice would actually be to stick with the build. If you do as suggested, and expand as you're making the 6:40 push, you'll most likely see way better results. Also, you say yourself that you have a few flaws (such as not knowing when to back off), so if you try to actually improve on those aspects of your game, I think you will see way better results. And besides, learning when to attack is something we all need to do! | ||
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dynwar7
1983 Posts
As for myself, this worked so so so great, but I stopped using it after about15~ times because I also found people who could hold off this push. But as for mechanics, this is really good practice I must say | ||
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asaed
United States1412 Posts
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A1eks
France9 Posts
A little update on my experience. I reach top gold playing ag some plat but for few days the build executed correctly doesn't work anymore. Around 15 loss for 3 wins. At my level if the 1st push is reboot u can quit the game. What is dissapointing to me is that now if i go this build in the mid game my opponent outmacro me. My knowledge of transition is too too bad but i played around 1500 games since one year. Maybe i should now practice a build for each match up ? If anybody has an advice for me . I really need some motivation. Cheers, A1eks | ||
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Adrenaline Seed
United States194 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:04 A1eks wrote: Maybe i should now practice a build for each match up ? Exactly. Keep 3 rax for TvP and start with TvT and TvZ. You will lose a lot of games switching builds, don't worry about it. | ||
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Autofire2
Pakistan290 Posts
Thanks for this method. I'm feeling more confident in my mechanics now that I can get closer to the benchmark. However...here is a replay of me doing this to a bronze league friend. Granted, I had told him that I was going to attack him with bio after the 7 minute mark (his mechanics are even worse than mine so he would be crushed if he was worrying about scouting etc.) But I feel if this is solid in the lower leagues, it should crush him, a bronze player, regardless. As you can see, he holds off my first attack. In a later game, he crushes the attack and wins outright even though I was sure I was outproducing him. Is bronze the new gold? Am I doing something wrong? Or does this build rely on surprise? Here is the replay: http://sc2replays.aaa.eu/s/ehq_4i If Seed or any other poster who has tried this successfully can have a look, that'd be awesome. | ||
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Adrenaline Seed
United States194 Posts
On September 20 2011 08:38 Autofire2 wrote: Hey Seed! Thanks for this method. I'm feeling more confident in my mechanics now that I can get closer to the benchmark. However...here is a replay of me doing this to a bronze league friend. Granted, I had told him that I was going to attack him with bio after the 7 minute mark (his mechanics are even worse than mine so he would be crushed if he was worrying about scouting etc.) But I feel if this is solid in the lower leagues, it should crush him, a bronze player, regardless. As you can see, he holds off my first attack. In a later game, he crushes the attack and wins outright even though I was sure I was outproducing him. Is bronze the new gold? Am I doing something wrong? Or does this build rely on surprise? Here is the replay: http://sc2replays.aaa.eu/s/ehq_4i If Seed or any other poster who has tried this successfully can have a look, that'd be awesome. Once again I say timing is key here. Your friend was doing terrible, your right, he was very far behind you. Had something like 40 food at 7:30 while you were standing outside his base. You however moved out late, well after 6:40, then had a little party by the mineral patch, then another water cooler conversation outside his ramp, and then moved in about a minute later than normal after he had a chance to build up more food than you. To top it off during the engagement you had 80% of your troops doing laps instead of firing their weapons. Watch in slow motion, you will be shocked. Timing and stutter step (especially when it comes to ramps) is critical. All your units need to be firing except when they are reloading in which case they should be making more room for other units to run in and fire. | ||
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Autofire2
Pakistan290 Posts
I supposed I was subconsciously waiting so that more of my reinforcements showed up...bad idea, I guess? Should I go straight to his ramp and then waltz up it ASAP? Also, how was the build itself? I was never better than silver and this is one of my first few attempts after many, many months of inactivity...I felt I had gotten a little beefier with this method. | ||
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Adrenaline Seed
United States194 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:28 Autofire2 wrote: Hey, thanks! But I'm honestly not sure how to send bio up a ramp (when I played before I would siege up and clear the area by the ramp before moving up). Any advice/threads you can link? I supposed I was subconsciously waiting so that more of my reinforcements showed up...bad idea, I guess? Should I go straight to his ramp and then waltz up it ASAP? Also, how was the build itself? I was never better than silver and this is one of my first few attempts after many, many months of inactivity...I felt I had gotten a little beefier with this method. I x8 to 6:40 but you had 50+ food so it seems you did real good! First work on getting your units up that ramp as fast as possible which means moving out and no delays. You should research stutter step and metronome on here though. Your units need to keep moving when in a tight space so that more can fire. Whenever you see units doing laps behind your firing units that is a very terrible thing and you will lose to armies half your size. The trick is to move while reloading, which allows you to do the same dps while your units are constantly moving. You see pros do it all the time, it is easy to learn hard to master. Start using it and you will get better, watch the pros to get a sense of timing. Stim vs Normal also feels a lot different. | ||
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Autofire2
Pakistan290 Posts
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Adrenaline Seed
United States194 Posts
On September 21 2011 04:59 Autofire2 wrote: Thanks. Also, your thoughts on the new patch? Biggest thought. What in the world I am going to do for the extra 5 seconds my racks is building. | ||
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zickoray
United States366 Posts
so add me to the list please cLvzickoray.848 | ||
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Autofire2
Pakistan290 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:17 Adrenaline Seed wrote: Biggest thought. What in the world I am going to do for the extra 5 seconds my racks is building. Yeah I just tried it. It feels...horrible. How can blizz introduce a change which so thoroughly messes up the smoothness of the ONLY standard opener terran has? That is to say, the 10supply 12rax 13ref 15OC. So does this mean that the optimal time to move out is now 6:55? or is this timing attack now not workable at all? | ||
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