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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-30 18:48:43
June 30 2011 18:17 GMT
#81
I really can't believe you guys are taking this so seriously. Doesn't anyone else appreciate the whimsy here? Sheeeeeeesh.

Yes, like there is some risk that players who read this thread will stop scouting come ON guys.

OP, I enjoyed reading. More entertaining than 90% of purported guides posted in SC2 Strategy.
✌
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
June 30 2011 18:18 GMT
#82
On July 01 2011 03:14 Dagobert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 03:12 Roe wrote:
On July 01 2011 02:35 Sheikhspeare wrote:
This is not psychoanalysis and I'm not sure it is very helpful either.

it's more akin to those personality types...forget who made the big 5

Big 5 is just a watered down version of Eysenck's trait theory.There isn't even any theory behind it, it's just the result of factor analysis.

i'd say it's better. but i'm drunk. at 2pm...
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
June 30 2011 18:23 GMT
#83
Those percentages add up to waaaay more than 100% ... ?
Kfcnoob
Profile Joined January 2011
United States296 Posts
June 30 2011 21:47 GMT
#84
not really in the mood for a silver league player giving insignificant statistics that they came up with by total guesswork

User was temp banned for this post.
And Artosis sayeth "the one who kills many, but loses few, comes out ahead."
polysciguy
Profile Joined August 2010
United States488 Posts
July 01 2011 06:51 GMT
#85
while i agree with most that the response type isn't really a way to base your play or assume an opponents play on, some of the ideas have some potential, though mostly attention to detail and mechanical ideas. the REM idea isn't a horrible one, and neither is the finger micro which can be performed outside of the game in many different ways, considering all you are attempting to do with that is increase your finger speed and dexterity.
glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever---napoleon
Flyingdutchman
Profile Joined March 2009
Netherlands858 Posts
July 01 2011 06:54 GMT
#86
I'd like to add another explanation to the silent part. He could also be silent because he has his hands full with executing his build. I know I have that sometimes when I'm not sober ;P
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3295 Posts
July 01 2011 07:44 GMT
#87
One might generously interpret the percentages to mean that there might be some overlap between groups; perhaps some "standard" people are also "self-assured"?

OP definitely draws some overly certain conclusions, but it does open an interesting question. What can you guess about a person (and their build) from their chat?
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
polysciguy
Profile Joined August 2010
United States488 Posts
July 01 2011 07:46 GMT
#88
On July 01 2011 16:44 ChristianS wrote:
One might generously interpret the percentages to mean that there might be some overlap between groups; perhaps some "standard" people are also "self-assured"?

OP definitely draws some overly certain conclusions, but it does open an interesting question. What can you guess about a person (and their build) from their chat?


i find that the more talkative a person is, the more likely they are to cheese you, attempting to use the chat as a distraction.
glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever---napoleon
Prevolved
Profile Joined March 2011
United States573 Posts
July 01 2011 12:10 GMT
#89
I feel like this is a troll. One thing I have noticed though, is when an opponent doesn't reply to my gl hf, there's a good chance he's cheesing. Particularly with random players that get zerg and 6 pool. This doesn't apply all the time though, some people just want all the luck and fun for themselves lol
Know thyself.
svefnleysi
Profile Joined March 2011
Iceland623 Posts
July 01 2011 12:19 GMT
#90
On June 30 2011 14:22 drryworrx wrote:
...
---------Probability of facing this type of player: Around 12-13%.
...
---------Probability of facing this type of player: Around 9-13% depending on time of day.
...

You're being 100% serious, aren't you?
nathangentzen
Profile Joined March 2011
United States41 Posts
July 01 2011 12:56 GMT
#91
Hello,

Haters gonna hate. I do this in real life all the time and to everyone who doesn't do it, it just seems like guesswork. Until you tell the person something about themselves that they have not told you. Thanks for the interesting pseudo-results.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
July 01 2011 13:18 GMT
#92
On June 30 2011 14:41 Sotamursu wrote:
What I can tell from personal experience is that completely silent players can also be really good. They might be more focused on tournaments and such so they don't really even bother saying anything on ladder, since they're just massing games.

Otherwise it's an interesting guide, but I'd say it's pretty dangerous to assume anything just based on chat.


Yeah this is more my experience too. If I meet a silence player it's usually someone that's really serious and is in some sort of "shell" and does only focus on the game and nothing else. Usually really strongs. Coming from my experience around high master.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Samuel Neptune
Profile Joined May 2011
United States95 Posts
July 01 2011 13:26 GMT
#93
or you could just learn how to play the game
Bactrian
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia176 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-01 13:33:11
July 01 2011 13:32 GMT
#94
On July 01 2011 03:14 Dagobert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 03:12 Roe wrote:
On July 01 2011 02:35 Sheikhspeare wrote:
This is not psychoanalysis and I'm not sure it is very helpful either.

it's more akin to those personality types...forget who made the big 5

Big 5 is just a watered down version of Eysenck's trait theory.There isn't even any theory behind it, it's just the result of factor analysis.


Sorry, I read that as

"There isn't even any theory behind it, just the weight of empirical evidence".

You realise Eysenck's trait theory also used factor analysis, right?
FreedonNadd
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria573 Posts
July 01 2011 13:51 GMT
#95
On June 30 2011 15:34 drryworrx wrote:
Well like I said they're not always going to end up that way, and I am currently mid-ranged silver and that was just what it comes off to me as. I am aware people that don't talk aren't always going to try and go for that quick, satisfying kill.

My intention for this topic was to just to get people to be prepared for things in the way that works for me, not to make a build specifically designed around chat. Just to keep an extra, watchful eye open when something happens.

And as far as my "Psychoanalysis" header goes, I did google it, but I only went with one part of the definition, so I'm right AND wrong in using it. For those of you whom feel dumber for having read it, I apologize.


I would advise this to everyone on TL.net:
Do not use words you don't know. If you have to google a word in order to use and understand it then it is assumable that you are not familiar with this word. This article is not about psychoanalysis. Use a header like, "Communication in 1vs1 bronze to gold" or something more specific. Your post will be taken more serious if you know what you are speaking about. Do not use foreign words or words sounding sophisticated in order to make things look more interesting.
Some people wear Superman pajamas, but Superman has Day[9] pajamas.
Ziktomini
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom377 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-01 14:10:09
July 01 2011 14:09 GMT
#96
Pretty funny, assuming this is a joke, if not, then it's pretty terrible lol.

I'm a mix of all four by the looks of it lol.
Bactrian
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia176 Posts
July 01 2011 14:29 GMT
#97
I love how OP makes a distinction between people who say "gl" and people who say "gl hf".
Raysalis
Profile Joined July 2010
Malaysia1034 Posts
July 01 2011 14:37 GMT
#98
While I disagree with almost every single assertion you made, I find the read suprising enjoyable.

I will give you five star if this were a blog ;]
:)
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-01 15:02:50
July 01 2011 15:01 GMT
#99
This parallels my own experience, although it's possible to be still more discerning:

glhf vs lghf or glhF: )

Within the percentage of 'standard' players, a precise 'glhf' (15%) generally indicates superior mechanics compared to a sloppy lghf(9-11%). Much can also be gleaned from the presence of a trailing smiley:

* If the glhf: ) is slow (28%), he's using one hand to hit shift+: and he's not very quick at it, which means he's not very experienced at adding units to control groups and will generally be worse at positional play. Expand aggressively, being sure to keep vision of the centre of the map.

* If the F is capitalised (45%), he's liable to hitting modifier keys too early and will almost certainly screw up the contents of his control groups at some point, preventing the casting of spells at critical moments or interfering with his macro. Harass these players to maximise their discomfort.

You might want to add this info to the OP.
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
JERK412
Profile Joined January 2011
United States37 Posts
July 01 2011 15:02 GMT
#100
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Every person is different, judging someones personality is a miniscule part of metagame analysis but often what someone says can be deliberately misleading.

I found myself vulnerable to making poor snap judgments when I was really into online poker. Its easy to start arrogantly thinking of people as predictable and machine like, and a lot of people will take advantage of this by counting on their opponent underestimating them. Even lower level players can be scheming and manipulative, so dont fall into the habit of trying to prejudice the "sheeple".
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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