[L/G]Using Pyschoanalysis in your games. - Page 7
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Mediafriend
United States8 Posts
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guapogato
United States1 Post
I am so glad that another member of this exceptional community has observed the pronounced affect that the psyche can have upon play at any given moment. Of course, we all know this: MC, dictated by his charismatic bravado, destroying because of his attitutude; Idra, refusing to be dismissed, because he thinks he is the best; Happy, dominating in silence better than anyone. Yet this discussion is always already flawed by its lack of discussion about what the self actually is when it plays the game: isn't this really the question? As of thus far, this dicussion has focused on what a player says before the game; and this is less that worthy of discussion, imho. The idea is phenomonal though--how can i think better to play better??? I think that the answer lie in the typical lacanian response (french psychoanalytic philosopher, pay no mind if you don't know him, he was a baller), which is to say, that it is less that I play the game, then that the game plays me, at least when I am doing well. There is a theory in contemporary american psychoanalytic theory called flow, and i think that the SC player, when playing well, perfectly emulates the ideal: focused; concentrated; loss of time consciousness; focused on a singular goal. THe best question, then, is how can I enter this state??? Psychoanalysis is about desire; but I have already misspoken: psychoanalysis is about why we desire what we desire, and how. Why does psy consistently play 15 hatch when he knows of the high probability of a 2 rax all in? Why does Idra demand perfection, refuse to win without it; why does he believe the win to be worth more than it actually is? Whats up with Julyzerg, so quiet and underspoken, and simultaneously so aggressive, demanding that the Other react to his play? I say Other, rather than other, because this other, the one we play upon the latter, is not a simple person we would know from our normal existence; no, we know that he will behave in such and such a way because of the meta-game: litteraly, the 'I' that is reflected in the system. Thus, I believe that the best way to capture the energy engulfed within the desire to dominate is paradoxically distancing oneself from that desire: engaging desire merely makes you repeat the meta; this is is easily counterable; the best, the best, the best, do not play like everyone else, but like themselves. There are a variety of tenable strategies in a game with the complexity of SCII; thus, the best question must be: where am I, how do I play, and why is the way I play better? What the Other says at the begining of the game is a guessing game, but I do admire your bravado. Psychoanalysis is useful in this setting, but not to the extent that you can statistically verify a persons tendancies based upon their begining of the game comments. E.g. (no pun), I frequently open games saying: "Isn't Shakira fine? I'd love to waka her waka." This is a good tactic if it works, because no one would have a ready answer, and hence would be distracted from the required singular desire of the SCII player, the desire to fucking kill. | ||
Mr.SoloDolo
American Samoa90 Posts
Jesus christ I would hate to be your professor. Thousands of commas, verbose and in-eloquent writing style. At least provide a tl;dr if you write a wall of text. Sorry if I'm being rude but that was a terrible read. On topic: OP should spend less time "psychoanalyzing" his bronze opponents and learn the damn mechanics of the game instead. | ||
kkindy
United Arab Emirates8 Posts
Let me say that although I disagree with your analysis I do think it's cool that you put in time and effort into thinking about this. Don't let the haters get to you. It's ok to be wrong! but you're thinking and that's a start. As for those that say you should focus on your mechanics well, let them be. Play your game. Enjoy it! that's what Starcraft is about. Not everybody wants to be in masters or grandmasters. My brother likes it just fine in bronze, I'm in high plat at the moment and I cast a lot of games with Imba.tv. I mean seriously, the majority of players type gl hf and forget that that's exactly why they spend time playing the game :D Antarah | ||
Zeetee
United States153 Posts
---------Keep your ears clean. Hearing "Your probes are under attack!" the moment it happens versus a second or two later because you've got earwax up the wazu can play a bigger part than you might think. to realize he was trolling. before then, i thought he was just genuinely stupid. man, i suck ![]() | ||
Probe1
United States17920 Posts
---------Keep your ears clean kids. It could save your probes. I'll add something that's always helped me. I've never been a huge fan of day9. I think he rambles a lot and it's hard for me to dedicate an hour I could be on the ladder to watch him live. But when I skip through his VODs and pick the useful information out of the personality and humor I've learned a few things and one of them is very pertinent to this thread. If you intend on winning and not making friends: At the start of every game type gl hf then open message log and block communication. Then focus on the game. That hygiene section was just absolutely hilarious. I assure you, you're in silver because of reasons that don't relate to breaking nails or cloggy ears. While I personally appreciate the effort, it would be much better directed towards practicing. | ||
jungeMann
Germany10 Posts
If your opponent is a zerg and is giving you a huge chat right at the start. "where u from?" "what leage u from?" "are you good in zvz?" and so on. He will 9 out of 10 times be cheesing you, hoping to distract you. | ||
MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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MageWarden
United States95 Posts
On July 01 2011 03:17 JWD wrote: I really can't believe you guys are taking this so seriously. Doesn't anyone else appreciate the whimsy here? Sheeeeeeesh. Yes, like there is some risk that players who read this thread will stop scouting ![]() OP, I enjoyed reading. More entertaining than 90% of purported guides posted in SC2 Strategy. no i dont appreciate the whimsy. nor do i appreciate u trolling me with pictures of dessert. nor does this guide have a more of sample size than 1. according to the forum guidelines: "Guides are held up against the highest standards of quality in this forum. They are the most valuable resource for the average player". So what happened here? | ||
Zrah
Lithuania55 Posts
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drryworrx
United States76 Posts
Where bad manners is still highly prevalent. | ||
Nightshake
France412 Posts
Moar ! ![]() | ||
sas911
Canada113 Posts
Oh yes the statistics by percentage are very accurate, minimum of 125% players are categorized! "---------Keep your ears clean. Hearing "Your probes are under attack!" the moment it happens versus a second or two later because you've got earwax up the wazu can play a bigger part than you might think." If you have ear wax that builds up so much that you can't hear anymore, then you have a medical issue. "All information that I will write down here has been collected largely by myself, with help from my brother, during the course of our plays of the game from the first days of the beta up until present day" Wait wait let me get this straight. You claim to have gotten the beta key at an extremely early date meaning you are eager to get started early on. And you've been apparantely playing from then all the way till now. So I guess you're obviously in maste- Silver? Really? Does that sound like total bullshit, or did you play 1 game after a week? Anyway, considering the very high unlikelihood of the content, at LEAST show where you got your numbers. Considering the OP has not bothered to reply to ANYTHING, it means it's just a troll who doesn't care. Close thread? | ||
DruidzHistory
Sweden231 Posts
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
Made up percentages are wrong 89% of the time. | ||
Komsa
United States99 Posts
Rather than relying on highly subjective interpretation of meaningless data, a player looking to improve should learn to read game facts. You can avoid a lot of this weird stuff by learning to scout and increasing your execution speed. The OP really shines a light on what goes on in the mind of players stuck in lower levels. He's basically come up with this system of psychoanalysis to dodge becoming a better scouter. It's all guess work by the OP even if he has some statistics/replays to back it up, the conclusions are still fuzzy compared to just scouting the opponent to pin him on a build. | ||
drryworrx
United States76 Posts
On July 04 2011 07:39 sas911 wrote: This is a troll OP thread if it isn't incredibly obvious. Oh yes the statistics by percentage are very accurate, minimum of 125% players are categorized! "---------Keep your ears clean. Hearing "Your probes are under attack!" the moment it happens versus a second or two later because you've got earwax up the wazu can play a bigger part than you might think." If you have ear wax that builds up so much that you can't hear anymore, then you have a medical issue. "All information that I will write down here has been collected largely by myself, with help from my brother, during the course of our plays of the game from the first days of the beta up until present day" Wait wait let me get this straight. You claim to have gotten the beta key at an extremely early date meaning you are eager to get started early on. And you've been apparantely playing from then all the way till now. So I guess you're obviously in maste- Silver? Really? Does that sound like total bullshit, or did you play 1 game after a week? Anyway, considering the very high unlikelihood of the content, at LEAST show where you got your numbers. Considering the OP has not bothered to reply to ANYTHING, it means it's just a troll who doesn't care. Close thread? I have been replying to people. Did you even look at my name or did you just read the post? And to you other dude who I don't know your name of, the last post guy: I am not dodging getting better at scouting, and I'm not encouraging people to skip scouting and do just this. I have said several times in here that you should NOT stop scouting. Maybe I should say it in all caps so you can read it? THIS IS IN NO WAY INTENDED TO TAKE PLACE OF SCOUTING, IT IS JUST SOMETHING PRE-SCOUTING TO THINK ABOUT, NOT TO LIVE BY. JUST TO GET YOU TO THINK OF THE POSSIBILITY BASED ON WHAT I FIND. there, hope all of you who apparently can't read can see that one at least. Don't say I'm not saying anything when I am and you're just being ignorant, mkay? Tooda-loo. | ||
TolEranceNA
Canada434 Posts
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bond1
38 Posts
On July 03 2011 13:18 guapogato wrote: (Hello, I am joe. This is my first post, and I only post because I am currently in training to be a psychoanalyst, and because i am diamond in everything). I am so glad that another member of this exceptional community has observed the pronounced affect that the psyche can have upon play at any given moment. Of course, we all know this: MC, dictated by his charismatic bravado, destroying because of his attitutude; Idra, refusing to be dismissed, because he thinks he is the best; Happy, dominating in silence better than anyone. Yet this discussion is always already flawed by its lack of discussion about what the self actually is when it plays the game: isn't this really the question? As of thus far, this dicussion has focused on what a player says before the game; and this is less that worthy of discussion, imho. The idea is phenomonal though--how can i think better to play better??? I think that the answer lie in the typical lacanian response (french psychoanalytic philosopher, pay no mind if you don't know him, he was a baller), which is to say, that it is less that I play the game, then that the game plays me, at least when I am doing well. There is a theory in contemporary american psychoanalytic theory called flow, and i think that the SC player, when playing well, perfectly emulates the ideal: focused; concentrated; loss of time consciousness; focused on a singular goal. THe best question, then, is how can I enter this state??? Psychoanalysis is about desire; but I have already misspoken: psychoanalysis is about why we desire what we desire, and how. Why does psy consistently play 15 hatch when he knows of the high probability of a 2 rax all in? Why does Idra demand perfection, refuse to win without it; why does he believe the win to be worth more than it actually is? Whats up with Julyzerg, so quiet and underspoken, and simultaneously so aggressive, demanding that the Other react to his play? I say Other, rather than other, because this other, the one we play upon the latter, is not a simple person we would know from our normal existence; no, we know that he will behave in such and such a way because of the meta-game: litteraly, the 'I' that is reflected in the system. Thus, I believe that the best way to capture the energy engulfed within the desire to dominate is paradoxically distancing oneself from that desire: engaging desire merely makes you repeat the meta; this is is easily counterable; the best, the best, the best, do not play like everyone else, but like themselves. There are a variety of tenable strategies in a game with the complexity of SCII; thus, the best question must be: where am I, how do I play, and why is the way I play better? What the Other says at the begining of the game is a guessing game, but I do admire your bravado. Psychoanalysis is useful in this setting, but not to the extent that you can statistically verify a persons tendancies based upon their begining of the game comments. E.g. (no pun), I frequently open games saying: "Isn't Shakira fine? I'd love to waka her waka." This is a good tactic if it works, because no one would have a ready answer, and hence would be distracted from the required singular desire of the SCII player, the desire to fucking kill. Hahahahahahahaha...Lacan + SC2 = greatest post ever. You my friend have had a great win. | ||
Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
If they say nothing at all, they don't care about your feelings so they will cheese you. If they say just gl, they do a strategy which you can only defend with luck, meaning they will cheese you. If they say more than gl hf, they try to distract you and then they will cheese you. If they say just gl hf, they try to lull you into a false sense of security and then they will cheese you. If they say any swearwords, they are angry about a previous loss and they will cheese you. | ||
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