[G]HuK! PvT 20food 1gate FE - Page 19

CrAzEdMiKe

Canada151 Posts

July 25 2011 21:28 GMT

#361

I'm still using this build against Terran and LOVING it. There have been so many games where I just flat out won because the Terran didn't think he needed a bunker to hold any aggression and BAM! A bunch of Stalkers show up. It hasn't really disappointed me yet, as I haven't lost in the early game using this build (Low Diamond here).

Something I've been doing is skipping a second chronoboost on probes, and chronoboosting my stalker instead and then making a second stalker before the warp gate finishes. This gives me a total of 5 stalkers when I go to make my push which really helps add some oomph early on.

My probe cut lasts a little longer as a result, but the way I see it I have an expo up and Chronoboost to catch up on lost probes, so initially I think I'd rather have the bigger army.

FeelGood

United States23 Posts

July 25 2011 21:28 GMT

#362

On July 26 2011 05:37 CecilSunkure wrote:
You gotta say why it's better

His b/o has 7 stalkers after 1st warp in while huk's only has 5 after 1st warp in. (I think)

Arcanefrost

Belgium1257 Posts

July 26 2011 15:14 GMT

#363

On July 26 2011 05:37 CecilSunkure wrote:
You gotta say why it's better

Better econ and the 7 stalkers are only slightly later than the 5 from the op build.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36161 Posts

July 26 2011 15:19 GMT

#364

On July 27 2011 00:14 Arcanefrost wrote:

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Better econ and the 7 stalkers are only slightly later than the 5 from the op build.

What? Your extra gateways are finishing way later than in the OP. The two 23 gateways finish at the same time as warpgate tech, it's impossible that your 30 gateways do the same...

Your build seems to leave a timing gap to early pressure that the OP is entirely designed to avoid.

Huntz

164 Posts

July 26 2011 15:30 GMT

#365

What? Your extra gateways are finishing way later than in the OP. The two 23 gateways finish at the same time as warpgate tech, it's impossible that your 30 gateways do the same...

His build puts chronos on stalkers instead of WG. So while his gateways finish later, so does WG. I would guess this would be ok vs. pressure since you are chronoing out units, but I haven't played any build in this thread lol.

Arcanefrost

Belgium1257 Posts

July 26 2011 15:38 GMT

#366

What? Your extra gateways are finishing way later than in the OP. The two 23 gateways finish at the same time as warpgate tech, it's impossible that your 30 gateways do the same...

The extra gates finish later but I have 4 chronoboosted stalkers. My gates finish together with warpgate research because I only use 1 cb on wg and the rest on the initial gateway.

Your build seems to leave a timing gap to early pressure that the OP is entirely designed to avoid.

It doesn't. I have more units early on because of the cb on the gate. There's only a little timing window where I have 4 stalkers vs 5 form the op build, but I have 3 more soon. So if you stall a bit you have better econ and more units at certain timings.

Alejandrisha

United States6565 Posts

July 27 2011 14:23 GMT

#367

Can you give some specifics like what time WG finishes and at what time you have X amount of stalkers? The build in the OP is kind of weak until 5:40 then suddenly you have 5 stalkers for offensive or defensive purposes. Does the build you're talking about reach its critical number sooner or later? Does this leave you open to anything?

Medrea

10003 Posts

July 27 2011 14:27 GMT

#368

That's why I haven't been doing the sentry variation of the one gate fast expand on the ladder. With the stalkers I feel like I can apply a little bit of pressure to my terran buddies front and his entire builds secrets are usually revealed to me but with this one I feel like I cant be particularly aggressive fast enough.

GreEny K

Germany7312 Posts

July 27 2011 14:34 GMT

#369

On July 26 2011 04:31 Alejandrisha wrote:

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oGs vs PRIME game 7!! against 3 rax none the less

Can you link to a VOD or replay? I would love to see this build executed. Doesn't have to be HuK, if you have a replay of others doing it, I would like to see that as well.

Alejandrisha

United States6565 Posts

July 27 2011 14:42 GMT

#370

On July 27 2011 23:34 GreEny K wrote:

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Can you link to a VOD or replay? I would love to see this build executed. Doesn't have to be HuK, if you have a replay of others doing it, I would like to see that as well.

http://www.gomtv.net/2011gstls1/vod/65784

That is the stalker-sentry sentry one vs 3rax allin (MKP)

http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/vod/65276

This is more or less the one from the OP vs marine/tank/banshee allin (MMA)

GreEny K

Germany7312 Posts

July 27 2011 14:54 GMT

#371

On July 27 2011 23:42 Alejandrisha wrote:

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On July 27 2011 23:34 GreEny K wrote:

On July 26 2011 04:31 Alejandrisha wrote:

On July 26 2011 04:14 Dezire wrote:

On July 25 2011 12:11 Alejandrisha wrote:

On July 25 2011 11:26 deadmau wrote:
Does anyone know Huk's modified buildorder of this build? I've come across multiple mentions of his abandoning of this style for a safer style, but I can't find the replays. If anyone knows the specific build that'd be great. A stream view would be cool, as I'm curious as to his follow-up

HuK says that this build is too dangerous against a very well executed 12/16 reactor/tech lab which is very trendy on the korean server, so he no longer does it.

His new build is as follows
9 py
13 gate
14 gas
15 py
17 core
18 gas

He gets a stalker first and cb's it. You can put a CB on the WG as well but it's not too necessary.

He pokes with the first stalker but cannot lose it.

He expands at 30/34, with probes cut at 30 food. With sentries coming out constantly, he gets 2 gates after the nexus and then a pylon before resuming probe production. WG finishes with 3 or 4 sentries (he gets 3 and probes up to 34 food if no pressure is coming). He gets 3 sentries at WG finish and adds sentries/stalkers from there. To hold pressure, he takes the best possible position with his units on the low ground once WG is done and just uses FF to defend (no zealots)

The build is pretty open ended from here. I've seen him go robo if the terran is being sketchy but more typically forge + twilight for blink stalkers and armor upgrades for map control and to try to take an upgrade edge for later in the game.

Maybe he will come in here and tell me what I got wrong

EDIT: I still do the 20 nexus a lot because even though it should lose to a very crisp 12/16 r/t, that build is not too popular on NA and the players that do it reactively don't do a great job of executing it. I know that's a bad way to approach the game but I find it too fun to drop altogether

is there a replay with huk doing this build

oGs vs PRIME game 7!! against 3 rax none the less

Can you link to a VOD or replay? I would love to see this build executed. Doesn't have to be HuK, if you have a replay of others doing it, I would like to see that as well.

awesome, thanks dude

Sightbain

Canada81 Posts

July 27 2011 15:15 GMT

#372

As for the variation that has been listed with 7 stalkers, i prefer to only get 2 initial stalkers then as i save up for the 2 gates i start getting sentries, so at the 6 min mark i have 2-4 zealots,4 sentries and 2-4 stalkers with another round of warp gate coming off cd shortly. I much prefer this composition vs 2 rax openers from terran. Its also easy to transition into chargelot archon, and you already have sentries out if you scout a 1 base, so your gas can be spent on something else such as immortals etc.

If i dont scout a 2 rax then i add more stalkers, but after fiddling around with the build order you can only get a total of 8 gateway units out by the 6 min mark, less if you go stalker heavy. (having sentry / zealot available and warpgate around the 5:40 mark is much better imo then having it later and only stalkers vs conc shell marauders)

Arcanefrost

Belgium1257 Posts

July 27 2011 17:12 GMT

#373

On July 27 2011 23:23 Alejandrisha wrote:
Can you give some specifics like what time WG finishes and at what time you have X amount of stalkers? The build in the OP is kind of weak until 5:40 then suddenly you have 5 stalkers for offensive or defensive purposes. Does the build you're talking about reach its critical number sooner or later? Does this leave you open to anything?

http://www.sc2rep.com/replays/(T)fnaticFenix_vs_(P)GoSuHwangSin__sc2rep_com_20110710/11019

I changed my mind. It's better on longer rush distances but on small maps the one from the op is safer.

Catchafire2000

United States227 Posts

July 28 2011 23:34 GMT

#374

Can you guys analyze this replay:

http://replayfu.com/download/0QSL9t

What should I have transitioned into??? And what should I do against mass marauders. I'm about sick and tired of losing to terrans...

Catchafire2000

United States227 Posts

July 29 2011 02:45 GMT

#375

I think its best if you always do a poke w/ this strat

JaFF

25 Posts

July 29 2011 09:04 GMT

#376

I'm not sure there's a point in poking against a tech lab expand though. He'll have marauders with concussive shells out and you can't really do much damage.

Against a no gas expo on the other hand, tons of damage with decent micro

Catchafire2000

United States227 Posts

July 31 2011 20:31 GMT

#377

Any input on my replay???

CecilSunkure

United States2829 Posts

July 31 2011 23:39 GMT

#378

I created a youtube video for this opening, would be cool if you put it in the OP Alej

Catchafire2000

United States227 Posts

August 01 2011 00:39 GMT

#379

Thanks CECIL!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll try to use this modification to guide my play against Terran. I feel that Terran is my worst matchup and while I love this build, I'm at a loss as to what to do. Scouting w/ that 1st stalker helps, and also your advice on building that 4th gate if you suspect an all in (while getting loads of zealots).

Thanks! I'll watch this several times for guidance!