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iStarKraft
United Kingdom79 Posts
Also, I found it extremely difficult to prevent bunker rushes on XNC when using this build. I was wondering how you should react when you see SCVs coming with the push. Thanks for the guide Alej, and thanks for the video guide Cecil. <3333333333333333 | ||
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CecilSunkure
United States2829 Posts
On August 02 2011 06:52 iStarKraft wrote: When playing against marauders, does the early aggression (where you try to HuK him over) mean that you don't need to grab 4 or so early sentries for defence? I don't seem to be able to afford the gas for sentries and a robo early on after attacking with the 5 stalkers (and the 3 zealots, as it's against marauders). Also, I found it extremely difficult to prevent bunker rushes on XNC when using this build. I was wondering how you should react when you see SCVs coming with the push. Thanks for the guide Alej, and thanks for the video guide Cecil. <3333333333333333 Yeah you can't get sentries like that. If you want Sentries check my profile for that 3 Gate Expand PvT build. But with this the idea is to get a lot of minerals for Gateways + Nexus, and then just enough vespene for WG/Stalkers. Also you need to pull probes against a bunker rush. Warp in 2 Cycles if you can, and pull 5-10 probes and clash at the bunkers before the finish. Don't let a bunker finish! You can afford to lose probes because you have such an early Nexus and lots of Chrono to recover. If you end up not losing much you can probably just counter attack and win, or perhaps deal damage/contain. | ||
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ImmortalTofu
United States1254 Posts
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
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Huntz
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iStarKraft
United Kingdom79 Posts
On August 02 2011 07:00 CecilSunkure wrote: Yeah you can't get sentries like that. If you want Sentries check my profile for that 3 Gate Expand PvT build. But with this the idea is to get a lot of minerals for Gateways + Nexus, and then just enough vespene for WG/Stalkers. Also you need to pull probes against a bunker rush. Warp in 2 Cycles if you can, and pull 5-10 probes and clash at the bunkers before the finish. Don't let a bunker finish! You can afford to lose probes because you have such an early Nexus and lots of Chrono to recover. If you end up not losing much you can probably just counter attack and win, or perhaps deal damage/contain. Thanks for the really fast answer. (^_^) I'll practice fending off some bunker rushes with my buddies hehe. Looking forward to catching you streaming Cecil. | ||
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CecilSunkure
United States2829 Posts
On August 02 2011 07:52 iStarKraft wrote: Thanks for the really fast answer. (^_^) I'll practice fending off some bunker rushes with my buddies hehe. Looking forward to catching you streaming Cecil. Looking forward to seeing you in the stream chat! On August 02 2011 07:48 Huntz wrote: Cecil, I watched your VOD (thanks!) and I noticed you went a sort of hybrid mass gateway/robo style. You got a fairly fast charge and didn't go for fast collosus or templar, instead you ended up with chargelot/sentry/stalker/immortal. What's your logic/idea behind this? I almost never get immos except vs. 1 base all-ins and go either straight for HTs or collosus. However your composition seemed to work really well, my only concern would be the fast ghost/ghost pushes that seem to be gaining popularity. (And on that note would you go fast collo since they have to vikings, or fast HTs to 'counter' the ghosts?) The idea behind the Immortal/Sentry/Stalker/Zealot is that I can't really be offensive with it, however I can easily be defensive (due to Immortal travel time) with it. I can also take a very fast third with high impunity. Delaying Colossus tech allows me to focus on a late-game centric style, with a lot of upgrades and great eco. Also the Immortals cannot be shot down by Vikings  If you want to try what I did, it's important to constantly have your army spread out in case of EMP, and it's also important to during smaller battles always have your Immortals shooting Marauders. | ||
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Keilah
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CecilSunkure
United States2829 Posts
On August 02 2011 09:15 Keilah wrote: Once we start mining gas at 100% and building a stalker before nexus, aren't we back to the age-old 1-gate expand? Not that there's anything wrong with that... No not really. You sit on nothing for quite a long time, and with my understanding of old 1 Gate FEs you are really hustling to chrono things out of a single Gateway, and then have a more poor of a followup due to delayed WG research. Also, this seems more refined and advanced and elegant to me (as newer strategies usually are). | ||
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DreamChaser
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Keilah
731 Posts
On August 02 2011 09:19 CecilSunkure wrote: No not really. You sit on nothing for quite a long time, and with my understanding of old 1 Gate FEs you are really hustling to chrono things out of a single Gateway, and then have a more poor of a followup due to delayed WG research. Also, this seems more refined and advanced and elegant to me (as newer strategies usually are). Well one of the posters is suggesting chronoing out stalkers instead of warpgate  I think the old 1-gate expo worked well because warp tech was so much faster back then and you didn't need to chrono warp as much. Also you needed the early units because terran could go rax before depot. Heh... remember when every PvT build revolved around getting out the stalker in time to kill that damned reaper? So this is basically the same concept, revised for the updates. | ||
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Dhalphir
Australia1305 Posts
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Dhalphir
Australia1305 Posts
thus it powers much more, and builds that power economy or tech safely are usually better builds than those that power units early. | ||
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CecilSunkure
United States2829 Posts
On August 02 2011 10:52 Dhalphir wrote: The old one also got units -> Nexus -> Extra gates where this one goes Nexus -> Extra gates -> Units thus it powers much more, and builds that power economy or tech safely are usually better builds than those that power units early. Yeah thanks for this explanation. Due to this this whole opening is much more versatile compared to earlier 1 Gate FE. | ||
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Snaphoo
United States614 Posts
On August 02 2011 07:02 ImmortalTofu wrote: Wow... I started using this build a week ago... I've played 7 PvT's in that week... and I won all of them! I got 3 rax'd, I got 1/1/1'd, I got 2 rax'd, I played CC first... This build is beautiful. Thank you Alejandrisha! How are you holding 3 rax with pulled SCVs? That's the one thing that's been my bane trying out this build lately (e.g. far positions on Shattered) | ||
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mixXanber
United States96 Posts
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
You can transition into 3 barracks bio play. You force a robotics and you earn time. | ||
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fanvadmeck
Sweden112 Posts
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Deezl
United States355 Posts
My big question of the night is how do you hold the marine/tank/banshee all-ins that are wrecking the GSL right now with a FE? Do you FE 1gate collosus? Because that seems bad. | ||
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