[G]PvT Naniwa build - Page 4

On May 18 2011 02:51 ximae wrote:
it works fine for me after some minor adjustments, push comes just 5-10 secs later

i just crono 2 times probes, first on 11 second at 14 (so i can place assim at 13 just after gate) then the rest on wg.

So the build remains the same just that ur one probe behind on every step o the bo.

its not as clean as before though ( 2nd gate pops a tad bit after u start 1st stalker, and gotta wait a sec to get second stalker due to gas shortage)... but still as efective.


pd: i do recomend putting the second gas at 32-33, so u got enough gas soon enough to get a robo while u push, banshees can be a pain if not.

On May 18 2011 08:19 wejeht wrote:
So I did this build and when I got to his base and he had a bunch of bio units on 1 base and just killed me lol, can anyone tell me what I did wrong and how I could fix it, or was there anything that I saw that should have triggered something in my play

*platinum player

http://sc2rep.com/replays/(T)Overloading_vs_(P)Wejeht_shakuras_plateau_sc2rep_com_20110518/8455

On May 18 2011 03:12 ViperaViRuS wrote:
I was just wondering if the OP will be altered at all in order to produce a new optimal build since the increase in time to research WG? Sadly I never got to test around with the build before the nerf.

On May 18 2011 12:43 Snaphoo wrote:


Hey wejeht, took a look at your replay, 2 kinds of suggestions: your play and your strategy.

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PLAY:
* Your building placement needs to be smoother:

* 10 SECONDS LOST: At 2:52 you had 180 minerals and your Gateway was done; you dropped your Cyber Core at 3:03. You give the Terran a free 10 second head-start on tech and defending your poke-- cut that out of your gameplay and your poke will automatically come about 10 seconds faster, which is huge.

* 30 SECONDS LOST, -1 STALKER: At 3:33 you had 150 minerals banked, and could have dropped the 2nd Gateway. Instead, you continue banking 150 and drop it at 4:04. You could have gotten out an extra stalker in that time.

* -1 STALKER: At 5:20, your first Gateway pops out a stalker with Warpgate half-done, and you never build another one out of it until Warpgate finishes, despite floating 315/70. Your push was 1 stalker lighter.

* Your macro slipped a lot as you pushed out; you randomly built 2 assimilators at the natural but didn't add Gateways. Watch some replays of Naniwa to see how he transitions out of the build; you had 2 gateways + 1 Robo and 4 assimilators: You cannot spend all that gas with those structures.

STRATEGY:
7:08: Terrible decision, easily fixed: why did you go up the ramp? You saw 9 marines and a marauder, and maybe the second marauder if you were careful. Remember, this build is not a 4 gate; the poke is strong enough to kill greedy teching terrans, but for someone going 2 rax it's dicey to go up the ramp with that many marines, and for 3 rax (as he had) you simply cannot win.

You got what you wanted; your poke showed you (a) where his army was (b) that he hadn't expanded (c) that he had at least 2 barracks (d) that he wasn't going cloaked banshees, one of the weaknesses of this build (e) that he spent somewhere around as much as you on units and hadn't expanded-- so you were ahead. At that point, there is NO NEED to attack or run up his ramp and unnecessarily lose units.

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Overall your play was fine, you're just going to improve with time. I can't emphasize enough how much you should watch pro replays at a place like www.sc2rep.com and see how pros properly macro. I'm low Diamond and have pretty trash macro, but I still win games (often long ones, lol), so it's helpful to watch replays to realize how far I have to go even though I win on ladder. Hope this was helpful. Good luck to you!

On May 23 2011 15:57 Divine110 wrote:
Does this build still work post patch?

On May 23 2011 19:15 shizna wrote:
if terran rushed for siege tanks, would he have 1-2 siege tanks ready by the push timing?


maybe it's similar to broodwar in that terran needs to get siege tanks to effectively hold off and expand.

i think he could have a wall, 2 x siege tanks and building expo in-base when your attack hits.

if he manually attacks the clumped units with his tanks (preferably stalkers), the push will be very messy.