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MrArarat
Profile Joined September 2010
Argentina132 Posts
April 07 2011 12:53 GMT
#41
Will watch it soon.
Resting on the mountain side...
Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
April 07 2011 13:00 GMT
#42
I just wanted to say, before a (bigger?) horde of people start barging in for whatever reasons trying to shit on your efforts, that I've learned quite a bit from just watching a few of your videos.

Keep up the good work!
Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
April 07 2011 15:16 GMT
#43
I've played icJug with some people with "erg" beginning their names. One was Protoss and the other was Zerg.
Zoia
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States419 Posts
April 07 2011 16:25 GMT
#44
On April 07 2011 14:55 Perscienter wrote:
Just watched the first video. It's good for a mechanical 1-dimensional play and will get you to at least diamond. But the enemy was bad. Didn't prevent the scouting of his (non-)expansion, of his unit-composition and wasted troops by walking the path directly beneath your cliff. I'd estimate him to be a platinum player.


First video was against a medium computer of course he was bad. The first video was to show you simple mechanics not a good game.
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Zoia
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States419 Posts
April 07 2011 16:27 GMT
#45
On April 07 2011 18:04 Umpteen wrote:
It's great to see people putting in so much effort

Hope it's ok if I give some feedback on the first video:

- Because you can't rewind to focus on the important bits when you're casting live play, it can be useful to prepare the viewer in advance so he knows what he's looking for, what it is you're trying to teach him, and what isn't part of the lesson. So, for instance, you could have paused the game right at the start and said:

Show nested quote +
"Ok, in this game I'm going to be making three barracks, two with techlabs and one with a reactor. I'm going to research concussive shells and stim, I'm going to make a substantial marine/marauder force, and I'm going to push out, pressure my opponent and expand when stim finishes. Is all this a good idea? That's something we're going to worry about in a later video - for now we're just going to focus on executing our build mechanically well, which means constantly building SCVs, getting our buildings down on time, never getting supply blocked, and being able to produce constantly out of our barracks. If we can do all that, and our money stays low, that's an indication that our build is a pretty good one. I'm also going to be setting up hotkeys so that I can switch between my scouting SCV, my army, my barracks and my command centre without needing to use the mouse."


If you do something along those lines, your viewers can recognise everything as it happens and slot it into the plan you've laid out for them, rather than frantically trying to absorb everything on the fly.

- You talk very quickly, to the point that your words ran together a few times. I think this is mostly because you have a lot of knowledge and were trying to provide helpful commentary on literally everything that happened in the game rather than concentrating on the lesson at hand. If I'm learning to time my buildings and avoid getting supply blocked, I don't need to know that master-level players won't let me see their scouting overlord - I mean, I do need to know that eventually but it's part of a different lesson.

Please don't take this criticism the wrong way; I thought there was a lot of good stuff in there and it bodes well for future episodes. I just think they would benefit from slightly cleaner, less cluttered presentation.



Thanks for the advice! I'm thinking of doing the next few episodes on zerg droning, apm, and what to look for when you scout your opponent.
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sephroth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States7 Posts
April 07 2011 16:30 GMT
#46
Great post! You brought up a lot of key points that I know I forget about while playing.
bqzg
Profile Joined January 2011
64 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 06:51:56
April 07 2011 16:38 GMT
#47
Very cool! I showed it to my bronze-level friend and he enjoys them so far.

One small thing to consider is that in a video emphasizing mechanics, your mechanics were kinda subpar. You didn't use hotkeys for tech lab, stim, didn't rally your workers after they finished building, didn't shift-click workers when you selected too many for the refinery, etc. Not the biggest deal, but a player who doesn't know these things may be content just to copy what you're doing.
SheaR619
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2399 Posts
April 07 2011 16:46 GMT
#48
On April 07 2011 10:49 Turgid wrote:
Cheese defense and matchup-specific scouting guides would probably help a lot of people.


Cheese defense is usually nullified by having good macro since the cheesy leagues are usually the lower league. Lower league cheeses tend to come very late or not perfectly timed so with good macro you usually have more than necessary to defend the cheesy even if you dont scout. Of course it varies between the cheese but in general this is how it is from what i have seem
I may not be the best, but i will be some day...
spacemunkee
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States51 Posts
April 07 2011 16:51 GMT
#49
As a player that this is targeted toward, I love this type of stuff. Thanks for posting. I can't wait to go through this. As a newer player I just can't get enough of this type of info v
TheAlchemist89
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
160 Posts
April 07 2011 17:04 GMT
#50
I definitely love these videos, great job on them and please keep posting :D
Zoia
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States419 Posts
April 07 2011 18:40 GMT
#51
On April 07 2011 18:11 Sweetness.751 wrote:
Oooo cheese defense would be a good one. Many ppl learn this the hard way during ladder..

Uh I'll probably cover cheese in the episode I go over scouting with cheese really isn't that big of a deal if you scout properly

On April 08 2011 00:16 Thaniri wrote:
I've played icJug with some people with "erg" beginning their names. One was Protoss and the other was Zerg.

Well erg was my former clan and since blizzard hasn't put in a paid name change system yet stuck with it. Currently though making a new clan with a bunch of the old erg members so there is that.
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maddogawl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States63 Posts
April 07 2011 19:53 GMT
#52
Awesome job on the videos, I enjoyed all of them. As a diamond player i'm always looking for things to improve my game.

Some ideas for new episodes
1. How to handle being contained either by protoss with forcefields or terran with siege tanks.
2. How to handle late game as Terran ( production buildings, expansions, dealing with harrass, etc )
3. Refining builds, and when to know a build should be ditched.

Keep up the good work!
Bourlog
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3 Posts
April 07 2011 21:38 GMT
#53
This is great, thank you very much!
Zoia
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States419 Posts
April 08 2011 01:12 GMT
#54

Some ideas for new episodes
1. How to handle being contained either by protoss with forcefields or terran with siege tanks.
2. How to handle late game as Terran ( production buildings, expansions, dealing with harrass, etc )
3. Refining builds, and when to know a build should be ditched.

Keep up the good work!


I don't know if I'll be able to make an entire episode about contains and race specific guides wont be out for a little bit longer. I might be able to do a refining build guide we shall see
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Zyusyn
Profile Joined April 2011
1 Post
April 08 2011 20:59 GMT
#55
Great videos learned a lot. Can't wait till the droning one I suck with drones
Big Buddha
Profile Joined September 2010
12 Posts
April 10 2011 16:59 GMT
#56
Keep 'em coming man! I think, those are really good instructions in a very concise manner. Let people criticize as much as they want...you shouldn't be bothered!

I think in order to progress on ladder, cheese defense is a really big issue...maybe do sth. on that?!?
totalpigeon
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom162 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 20:00:19
April 10 2011 17:03 GMT
#57
edit - bro is an idiot
optical630
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom768 Posts
April 10 2011 17:13 GMT
#58
On April 08 2011 01:46 SheaR619 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 10:49 Turgid wrote:
Cheese defense and matchup-specific scouting guides would probably help a lot of people.


Cheese defense is usually nullified by having good macro since the cheesy leagues are usually the lower league. Lower league cheeses tend to come very late or not perfectly timed so with good macro you usually have more than necessary to defend the cheesy even if you dont scout. Of course it varies between the cheese but in general this is how it is from what i have seem


hardly, i still get 2 rax'd and 4 gated in master league, even got 6 pool'd recently.
BinxyBrown
Profile Joined December 2010
United States230 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 17:59:05
April 10 2011 17:56 GMT
#59
I am a Zerg player at the almost master league I go about 30% vs master league players and play them every now and again.

I only watched the second video, because I was figuring it would apply to me more, all I saw was really poor 1 base play that only works vs Zerg because you can deny overlord scouts so easily, which your bad opponent didn't even try. No offense but you killed 20+ drones with a very poor 1 base timing attack, all he needed was a second queen at his nat and you would have done NO damage.

Also vs a 1 basing terran who you can't scout it's common to make extra queens incase of banshees, they tank lots of hits so they work well vs any other Terran 1 base all in as well. I think you should redo the video vs a competent opponent, maybe a close game which you lose and go over what were good decisions, what could be better decisions and how your thinking was correct/incorrect at the time. Because all I saw was hurr durr hellions, omg they killed 20 drones, so now I made this key decision (do whatever I want because I already won with my 500 mineral investment) to win this game.

As a side note I feel like your mech build's expansion timings are way off, but I don't main terran so maybe I'm wrong.
Banelings are like Ice Climbers if they grab you... your dead.
eatenbyagrue
Profile Joined November 2010
25 Posts
April 10 2011 20:24 GMT
#60
These are great videos, thanks so much for making them. Great tips and also shows that master league players are far from perfect themselves.

Day9's videos are good as well, but these are much quicker to the point. I find myself fast forwarding through about 75% of what day9 says, because at least half the time he either is making lame offtopic attempts to be funny, or is just fucking repeating himself for the 10th time. Don't know if he just likes the sound of his own voice or what.

Sorry, didnt mean for this to be a day9 rant, but it is great to see instructional videos boiled down to very concise elements.
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