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Zoia
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States419 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-27 20:39:32
April 06 2011 20:32 GMT
#1
Few things I'd like to note before you read this - This is NOT a quick little scheme to get master league easy these are videos focused on teaching lower league players how to improve their mechanics and eventually go up in leagues so that one day they will have the knowledge to become master league. Thank you

Hey guys so on my youtube channel I've been making a series of tutorial videos on how to improve your mechanics and play style called How To Get Into Masters League. What it revolves around is showing people how to improve their simple mechanics and styles so that they may eventually improve their play. Do not go into these videos expecting to see amazing replays or awesome new strategies these are games played by myself who is a low-mid level master league player...nothing special. Each video in the series will be focused on fundamental things that every starcraft 2 player needs to know. Eventually there will be videos that are race specific(My main account is master league terran but my smurf account is master league random)

For people who look at this and go oh well this video doesn't show zerg or this one doesn't show terran you should still go ahead and watch them. Mechanics for the most part are the same for any race you play. Every zerg protoss or terran player follow the same simple mechanics that have helped them improve their game play efficiently. But as I said above there will be race specific videos in the future.

For the people who watch these games and go holy shit this guy sucks how is he master league. Well I would agree with you that I suck but I have "mastered" the simple mechanics of this game and that is what makes me master league. I don't have super amazing micro or macro I don't have the control or speed but with these simple mechanics I will be showing you mastered I have allowed my play to reach the level of "Master league" This being said I hope you all enjoy the videos I will use this thread to update with future episodes and I look forward to hearing your guys feedback.

Also one last thing I know the video quality and sound quality is horribad but my computer kind of sucks so this is the best I can record at with a decent frame rate.

EDIT - There will be several more episodes these are not the only ones expect there to be maybe 20+ in total.
4-13 added episode 4
4-26 added episode 5

ENJOY

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How to get into masters episode 1 - Basic Mechanics
How to get into masters episode 2 - Decision Making/Replay Reviewing part 1
How to get into masters episode 2 - Decision Making/Replay Reviewing part 2
How to get into masters episode 3 - Taking Map Control/Map Vision part 1
How to get into masters episode 3 - Taking Map Control/Map Vision part 2
How to get into masters episode 4 - Knowing when to drone
How to get into masters episode 5 - Tips and Tricks for all players
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Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
April 06 2011 20:33 GMT
#2
Great contribution
BONE
Profile Joined August 2010
United States176 Posts
April 06 2011 20:38 GMT
#3
1 minute into this video I learned something new... Thx for posting these I will be watching them all now!
enigamI
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada385 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 21:40:24
April 06 2011 20:46 GMT
#4
Thanks for the post, Checking it out now

Edit: Just watched all 3. I think these videos will be really useful for players who don't have the time or patience to improve by watching the longer, more in depth analysis of, for example, Day9. These videos, particularly the first one, felt like a crash course on the subject material. While the videos don't go into too much detail, they get the points you want to make across quickly and with good repetition. I can see why you would get a lot of flak on youtube; many of the viewers are likely only used to watching pro level play and miss the purpose of the videos.

Thanks for the upload, great for anyone who wants a crash course or a quick review of the concepts presented!
DecoyOn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada45 Posts
April 06 2011 21:02 GMT
#5
Awesome thx
Candles
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom103 Posts
April 06 2011 21:26 GMT
#6
These are really useful thanks
MorNin
Profile Joined June 2010
United States443 Posts
April 06 2011 21:32 GMT
#7
Hope this helps alot of ppl struggling, Thanks for taking the time!!
sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
April 06 2011 21:46 GMT
#8
Saw the first one, one thing I did not like, it seemed to me like you always went back to base to build units and scvs. It's not really needed and you should rather look at your army imo. Only go back to base when you need to.
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
Tracedragon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States948 Posts
April 06 2011 21:49 GMT
#9
Thank you Zoia. ^^
It's like watching a concise Day[9]!
Do the impossible, see the invisible. Row, row, fight the power!
lilky
Profile Joined January 2011
United States131 Posts
April 06 2011 21:54 GMT
#10
Thanks a lot for this!
Im high diamond and i still found these helpful. I love how concise they are. People like Day9 make excellent videos at all, but i just dont have the time to watch 1hr+ long videos. These are short and to the point.
Bizarro252
Profile Joined January 2011
180 Posts
April 06 2011 21:54 GMT
#11
Watched the first one, would watch the rest if I didnt have to get back to studying But looks great, looking forward to watching the rest (and spending my bonus pool that has been growing over the past few days, I was doing SO GOOD for a while
radu_c
Profile Joined April 2010
Romania226 Posts
April 06 2011 22:45 GMT
#12
Nice commentaries, keep it up.
Seohce
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom394 Posts
April 06 2011 22:53 GMT
#13
Nice contribution man, you will really help some people out with this.

Also, I lol'd pretty hard for some reason when you said "also getting concussive shell, look at that!" it was just the way you said it anyone else?
duBstar
Profile Joined July 2010
United States57 Posts
April 06 2011 22:59 GMT
#14
I appreciate your work, and I'm glad you took the time to do this.

I will probably be using this seeing as I'm still in platinum. Thanks a lot!
We are what we repeatedly do, therefore excellence is not an act but a habit.
Zoia
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States419 Posts
April 06 2011 23:41 GMT
#15
If you guys have any ideas for future episodes let me know
www.twitch.tv/starcraftsquad - Caster for Playhem.tv
Dudemeister
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden314 Posts
April 07 2011 00:37 GMT
#16
On April 07 2011 08:41 Zoia wrote:
If you guys have any ideas for future episodes let me know


You've gone through general things like mechanics, map control and decisionmaking. I think it's time to get in to specifics. Like different matchup, what usual builds are, good responses etc.
Eleaven
Profile Joined September 2010
772 Posts
April 07 2011 00:38 GMT
#17
Great contribution man.
love this new fad of everyone helping out, guides, videos allsorts
Zoia
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States419 Posts
April 07 2011 01:38 GMT
#18
The next episode is already done just need to edit it and stuff its about droning as zerg and knowing when to drone and when to make a force.
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
April 07 2011 01:46 GMT
#19
looks great!
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Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
April 07 2011 01:49 GMT
#20
Cheese defense and matchup-specific scouting guides would probably help a lot of people.
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thehitman
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1105 Posts
April 07 2011 01:50 GMT
#21
practice, practice, practice, practice, practice.... oh no wait, you gotta eat and drink at some point, go out and get the bones moving and relieve yourself, well after that go back to practice, practice... you get the point.
Eleaven
Profile Joined September 2010
772 Posts
April 07 2011 05:16 GMT
#22
If your PC continues to be a major issue, you might try releasing a replay along with an audiofile with high quality audio.
jonathan1
Profile Joined October 2010
United States395 Posts
April 07 2011 05:20 GMT
#23
getting masters in random 4v4 is so stupid hard
Slago
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada726 Posts
April 07 2011 05:28 GMT
#24
as great as these are, and as much info they pertain, the best way to get better is through practice and trial and error by ones self
I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum and I'm all out of... ah forget it
GenZai
Profile Joined March 2010
France38 Posts
April 07 2011 05:30 GMT
#25
good article thanks
Pardon my french
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
April 07 2011 05:36 GMT
#26
I love this community always producing delicious content good job man.

I think maybe you should focus on scouting techniques for you next video since its still a huge issue for many players.
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
phrenzy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom478 Posts
April 07 2011 05:54 GMT
#27
On April 07 2011 14:36 windsupernova wrote:
I love this community always producing delicious content good job man.

I think maybe you should focus on scouting techniques for you next video since its still a huge issue for many players.


Agreed. Thanks for the content.

I analyze my replays alot but i still find it extremely hard to scout as zerg. And since its pretty easy to cheese a zerg i die because i simply have to make a guess and its the wrong decision.

A lot of it feel is map dependent.

But if your a good terran player like yourself, you will spread marines around the base to deny any read. If i was the zerg in the 2 episode i think i would've went exclusive roach in the early game since i wouldn't see a lot of marines at the ramp and by sending in an ovi there wouldn't be many to take it out. But still those factories in the corner could be barracks along with a ton of marines.

Thanks for the episodes and i look forward to more.
Perscienter
Profile Joined June 2010
957 Posts
April 07 2011 05:55 GMT
#28
Just watched the first video. It's good for a mechanical 1-dimensional play and will get you to at least diamond. But the enemy was bad. Didn't prevent the scouting of his (non-)expansion, of his unit-composition and wasted troops by walking the path directly beneath your cliff. I'd estimate him to be a platinum player.
itsempty
Profile Joined October 2010
United States19 Posts
April 07 2011 05:56 GMT
#29
is this the next combat ex?
look at this morose motherfucker
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15357 Posts
April 07 2011 05:58 GMT
#30
Thanks dor that, moved to SC2 Strat forum
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KARnyge
Profile Joined October 2010
United States132 Posts
April 07 2011 08:00 GMT
#31
I am in platinum right now and I will definitely read/look into this. Thank you for your contribution to help us lower players.
Aterons_toss
Profile Joined February 2011
Romania1275 Posts
April 07 2011 08:35 GMT
#32
I only saw 2 of the videos but if you haven't done it yet a "how to beat early chees with workers" video would help :p.
A good strategy means leaving your opponent room to make mistakes
sadivar
Profile Joined February 2011
Turkey16 Posts
April 07 2011 08:46 GMT
#33
tahnks guy ıts awesome especıally for macro mangement
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
April 07 2011 09:04 GMT
#34
It's great to see people putting in so much effort

Hope it's ok if I give some feedback on the first video:

- Because you can't rewind to focus on the important bits when you're casting live play, it can be useful to prepare the viewer in advance so he knows what he's looking for, what it is you're trying to teach him, and what isn't part of the lesson. So, for instance, you could have paused the game right at the start and said:

"Ok, in this game I'm going to be making three barracks, two with techlabs and one with a reactor. I'm going to research concussive shells and stim, I'm going to make a substantial marine/marauder force, and I'm going to push out, pressure my opponent and expand when stim finishes. Is all this a good idea? That's something we're going to worry about in a later video - for now we're just going to focus on executing our build mechanically well, which means constantly building SCVs, getting our buildings down on time, never getting supply blocked, and being able to produce constantly out of our barracks. If we can do all that, and our money stays low, that's an indication that our build is a pretty good one. I'm also going to be setting up hotkeys so that I can switch between my scouting SCV, my army, my barracks and my command centre without needing to use the mouse."


If you do something along those lines, your viewers can recognise everything as it happens and slot it into the plan you've laid out for them, rather than frantically trying to absorb everything on the fly.

- You talk very quickly, to the point that your words ran together a few times. I think this is mostly because you have a lot of knowledge and were trying to provide helpful commentary on literally everything that happened in the game rather than concentrating on the lesson at hand. If I'm learning to time my buildings and avoid getting supply blocked, I don't need to know that master-level players won't let me see their scouting overlord - I mean, I do need to know that eventually but it's part of a different lesson.

Please don't take this criticism the wrong way; I thought there was a lot of good stuff in there and it bodes well for future episodes. I just think they would benefit from slightly cleaner, less cluttered presentation.
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
Sweetness.751
Profile Joined April 2011
United States225 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 09:16:54
April 07 2011 09:11 GMT
#35
Oooo cheese defense would be a good one. Many ppl learn this the hard way during ladder. I personally hate cheesers, and I do it in probably only 1% of my games because I know my opponent didn't scout me, he was doing something greedy, or it was plain old stupid. Everyone should learn how to stop cannon rushes, proxy gateways, 6/7 pools, proxy hatch, proxy barracks, and the infamous marine scv all-in. Theses are just to name a few. Basically any strat built around winning before the 6 minute mark and cuts worker production is a cheese in my book.
Elentos wrote: Do you think only 10 life points more for Viking is enough bObA wrote: 10 life points is all you need to send someone to the Shadow Realm.
Sweetness.751
Profile Joined April 2011
United States225 Posts
April 07 2011 09:16 GMT
#36
On April 07 2011 14:55 Perscienter wrote:
Just watched the first video. It's good for a mechanical 1-dimensional play and will get you to at least diamond. But the enemy was bad. Didn't prevent the scouting of his (non-)expansion, of his unit-composition and wasted troops by walking the path directly beneath your cliff. I'd estimate him to be a platinum player.


Dude he was playing the Very Hard Computer, its unit pathing is retarded. Of course it was going to be a walk over, for him. He's Terrran, a Master player, and the Zerg A.I. one bases till the 12 minute mark.
Elentos wrote: Do you think only 10 life points more for Viking is enough bObA wrote: 10 life points is all you need to send someone to the Shadow Realm.
slowmo442
Profile Joined March 2011
United States27 Posts
April 07 2011 11:23 GMT
#37
hey man just finished the first episode, and it looks great! subscribed
BleaK_
Profile Joined November 2010
Norway593 Posts
April 07 2011 11:47 GMT
#38
OMG! Timmy reached Master and now teaches us!
(For those who doesn't know what I'm talking about: http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/R1CH/CampfireStories/The Boy And His Game by Day9.mp3)

Anyways, good job on this
Jeffbelittle
Profile Joined August 2010
United States468 Posts
April 07 2011 11:52 GMT
#39
This is so freaking amazing, because here's my thought process of my current state: I'm in diamond league bevause my macro is about at 70% of where it needs to be; however, my decision making needs a lot of work. I'm glad you realized decision making is a core element to make the leap into masters! Will be subscribing.
Apolo
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal1259 Posts
April 07 2011 12:21 GMT
#40
On April 07 2011 10:49 Turgid wrote:
Cheese defense and matchup-specific scouting guides would probably help a lot of people.

+1
MrArarat
Profile Joined September 2010
Argentina132 Posts
April 07 2011 12:53 GMT
#41
Will watch it soon.
Resting on the mountain side...
Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
April 07 2011 13:00 GMT
#42
I just wanted to say, before a (bigger?) horde of people start barging in for whatever reasons trying to shit on your efforts, that I've learned quite a bit from just watching a few of your videos.

Keep up the good work!
Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
April 07 2011 15:16 GMT
#43
I've played icJug with some people with "erg" beginning their names. One was Protoss and the other was Zerg.
Zoia
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States419 Posts
April 07 2011 16:25 GMT
#44
On April 07 2011 14:55 Perscienter wrote:
Just watched the first video. It's good for a mechanical 1-dimensional play and will get you to at least diamond. But the enemy was bad. Didn't prevent the scouting of his (non-)expansion, of his unit-composition and wasted troops by walking the path directly beneath your cliff. I'd estimate him to be a platinum player.


First video was against a medium computer of course he was bad. The first video was to show you simple mechanics not a good game.
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Zoia
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States419 Posts
April 07 2011 16:27 GMT
#45
On April 07 2011 18:04 Umpteen wrote:
It's great to see people putting in so much effort

Hope it's ok if I give some feedback on the first video:

- Because you can't rewind to focus on the important bits when you're casting live play, it can be useful to prepare the viewer in advance so he knows what he's looking for, what it is you're trying to teach him, and what isn't part of the lesson. So, for instance, you could have paused the game right at the start and said:

Show nested quote +
"Ok, in this game I'm going to be making three barracks, two with techlabs and one with a reactor. I'm going to research concussive shells and stim, I'm going to make a substantial marine/marauder force, and I'm going to push out, pressure my opponent and expand when stim finishes. Is all this a good idea? That's something we're going to worry about in a later video - for now we're just going to focus on executing our build mechanically well, which means constantly building SCVs, getting our buildings down on time, never getting supply blocked, and being able to produce constantly out of our barracks. If we can do all that, and our money stays low, that's an indication that our build is a pretty good one. I'm also going to be setting up hotkeys so that I can switch between my scouting SCV, my army, my barracks and my command centre without needing to use the mouse."


If you do something along those lines, your viewers can recognise everything as it happens and slot it into the plan you've laid out for them, rather than frantically trying to absorb everything on the fly.

- You talk very quickly, to the point that your words ran together a few times. I think this is mostly because you have a lot of knowledge and were trying to provide helpful commentary on literally everything that happened in the game rather than concentrating on the lesson at hand. If I'm learning to time my buildings and avoid getting supply blocked, I don't need to know that master-level players won't let me see their scouting overlord - I mean, I do need to know that eventually but it's part of a different lesson.

Please don't take this criticism the wrong way; I thought there was a lot of good stuff in there and it bodes well for future episodes. I just think they would benefit from slightly cleaner, less cluttered presentation.



Thanks for the advice! I'm thinking of doing the next few episodes on zerg droning, apm, and what to look for when you scout your opponent.
www.twitch.tv/starcraftsquad - Caster for Playhem.tv
sephroth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States7 Posts
April 07 2011 16:30 GMT
#46
Great post! You brought up a lot of key points that I know I forget about while playing.
bqzg
Profile Joined January 2011
64 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 06:51:56
April 07 2011 16:38 GMT
#47
Very cool! I showed it to my bronze-level friend and he enjoys them so far.

One small thing to consider is that in a video emphasizing mechanics, your mechanics were kinda subpar. You didn't use hotkeys for tech lab, stim, didn't rally your workers after they finished building, didn't shift-click workers when you selected too many for the refinery, etc. Not the biggest deal, but a player who doesn't know these things may be content just to copy what you're doing.
SheaR619
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2399 Posts
April 07 2011 16:46 GMT
#48
On April 07 2011 10:49 Turgid wrote:
Cheese defense and matchup-specific scouting guides would probably help a lot of people.


Cheese defense is usually nullified by having good macro since the cheesy leagues are usually the lower league. Lower league cheeses tend to come very late or not perfectly timed so with good macro you usually have more than necessary to defend the cheesy even if you dont scout. Of course it varies between the cheese but in general this is how it is from what i have seem
I may not be the best, but i will be some day...
spacemunkee
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States51 Posts
April 07 2011 16:51 GMT
#49
As a player that this is targeted toward, I love this type of stuff. Thanks for posting. I can't wait to go through this. As a newer player I just can't get enough of this type of info v
TheAlchemist89
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
160 Posts
April 07 2011 17:04 GMT
#50
I definitely love these videos, great job on them and please keep posting :D
Zoia
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States419 Posts
April 07 2011 18:40 GMT
#51
On April 07 2011 18:11 Sweetness.751 wrote:
Oooo cheese defense would be a good one. Many ppl learn this the hard way during ladder..

Uh I'll probably cover cheese in the episode I go over scouting with cheese really isn't that big of a deal if you scout properly

On April 08 2011 00:16 Thaniri wrote:
I've played icJug with some people with "erg" beginning their names. One was Protoss and the other was Zerg.

Well erg was my former clan and since blizzard hasn't put in a paid name change system yet stuck with it. Currently though making a new clan with a bunch of the old erg members so there is that.
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maddogawl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States63 Posts
April 07 2011 19:53 GMT
#52
Awesome job on the videos, I enjoyed all of them. As a diamond player i'm always looking for things to improve my game.

Some ideas for new episodes
1. How to handle being contained either by protoss with forcefields or terran with siege tanks.
2. How to handle late game as Terran ( production buildings, expansions, dealing with harrass, etc )
3. Refining builds, and when to know a build should be ditched.

Keep up the good work!
Bourlog
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3 Posts
April 07 2011 21:38 GMT
#53
This is great, thank you very much!
Zoia
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States419 Posts
April 08 2011 01:12 GMT
#54

Some ideas for new episodes
1. How to handle being contained either by protoss with forcefields or terran with siege tanks.
2. How to handle late game as Terran ( production buildings, expansions, dealing with harrass, etc )
3. Refining builds, and when to know a build should be ditched.

Keep up the good work!


I don't know if I'll be able to make an entire episode about contains and race specific guides wont be out for a little bit longer. I might be able to do a refining build guide we shall see
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Zyusyn
Profile Joined April 2011
1 Post
April 08 2011 20:59 GMT
#55
Great videos learned a lot. Can't wait till the droning one I suck with drones
Big Buddha
Profile Joined September 2010
12 Posts
April 10 2011 16:59 GMT
#56
Keep 'em coming man! I think, those are really good instructions in a very concise manner. Let people criticize as much as they want...you shouldn't be bothered!

I think in order to progress on ladder, cheese defense is a really big issue...maybe do sth. on that?!?
totalpigeon
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom162 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 20:00:19
April 10 2011 17:03 GMT
#57
edit - bro is an idiot
optical630
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom768 Posts
April 10 2011 17:13 GMT
#58
On April 08 2011 01:46 SheaR619 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 10:49 Turgid wrote:
Cheese defense and matchup-specific scouting guides would probably help a lot of people.


Cheese defense is usually nullified by having good macro since the cheesy leagues are usually the lower league. Lower league cheeses tend to come very late or not perfectly timed so with good macro you usually have more than necessary to defend the cheesy even if you dont scout. Of course it varies between the cheese but in general this is how it is from what i have seem


hardly, i still get 2 rax'd and 4 gated in master league, even got 6 pool'd recently.
BinxyBrown
Profile Joined December 2010
United States230 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 17:59:05
April 10 2011 17:56 GMT
#59
I am a Zerg player at the almost master league I go about 30% vs master league players and play them every now and again.

I only watched the second video, because I was figuring it would apply to me more, all I saw was really poor 1 base play that only works vs Zerg because you can deny overlord scouts so easily, which your bad opponent didn't even try. No offense but you killed 20+ drones with a very poor 1 base timing attack, all he needed was a second queen at his nat and you would have done NO damage.

Also vs a 1 basing terran who you can't scout it's common to make extra queens incase of banshees, they tank lots of hits so they work well vs any other Terran 1 base all in as well. I think you should redo the video vs a competent opponent, maybe a close game which you lose and go over what were good decisions, what could be better decisions and how your thinking was correct/incorrect at the time. Because all I saw was hurr durr hellions, omg they killed 20 drones, so now I made this key decision (do whatever I want because I already won with my 500 mineral investment) to win this game.

As a side note I feel like your mech build's expansion timings are way off, but I don't main terran so maybe I'm wrong.
Banelings are like Ice Climbers if they grab you... your dead.
eatenbyagrue
Profile Joined November 2010
25 Posts
April 10 2011 20:24 GMT
#60
These are great videos, thanks so much for making them. Great tips and also shows that master league players are far from perfect themselves.

Day9's videos are good as well, but these are much quicker to the point. I find myself fast forwarding through about 75% of what day9 says, because at least half the time he either is making lame offtopic attempts to be funny, or is just fucking repeating himself for the 10th time. Don't know if he just likes the sound of his own voice or what.

Sorry, didnt mean for this to be a day9 rant, but it is great to see instructional videos boiled down to very concise elements.
tehemperorer
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2183 Posts
April 10 2011 20:26 GMT
#61
Not sure there's enough value in getting into Masters to make a show about it.
Knowing is half the battle... the other half is lasers.
nocfg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4 Posts
April 10 2011 23:13 GMT
#62
On April 07 2011 10:49 Turgid wrote:
Cheese defense and matchup-specific scouting guides would probably help a lot of people.


totally this,
I started sc2 two weeks ago feeling quite confident and okay for my playtime, but in bronze so much cheese is going on, showing new player how to handle it and turn it into a win would be pretty nice!
ixi.genocide
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States981 Posts
April 10 2011 23:28 GMT
#63
their are 2 parts of holding cheese.

First is scouting. You should be scouting early enough to get in before wallins/marine/stalker but late enough to actually see the opponents gameplan w/out sacraficing too many minerals.

Secondly is knowing when you are ahead and when you can stop/start producing units to protect against the cheese. This also goes hand in hand w/ teching to protect against the cheese.

An easy way to hold cheese in bronze-gold is to constantly produce workers and supply so you are naturally ahead of your opponent. I would also advise to go for heavier barracks/gateway armies.
IzieBoy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States865 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-11 00:32:28
April 10 2011 23:54 GMT
#64
best line: "what are these hellions doing here they could be frying these drones which are just streaming in a line"

maybe blizz can implement a f2 hotkey for idle harrass units? (e.g. for speedlings, mutas, reapers, DTs)

PS. i watched all your vids...kinda sounds like day9's (watched all of those and going)

PPS. Terran is pretty hard for me...the constant production out of all the buildings is just a little crazy (i really wish blizz changes this and allows a selection for constant production when there's resource)... another thing with T is that it's so beneficial to do the drops, reaper harrass, and hellion harrass... i'm just not really into hurting my opponent and feel harrass is worse/more cowardly than cheese :3 i like the big push sorta thing and not the "in-and-out" feel

PPPS. T can also get map control...with sensor tower/PF/turret combo... and with marines... the supply depot costs more than the marine due to the time scv is not mining (39 minerals/min)...and losing the depot to a ling is not only humiliating but means you're back in the dark...while losing a marine frees up supply and can be easily replaced.
Let's Do This! Leeeeeeeeeeeeeroy Jenkins!
Tudi
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania127 Posts
April 11 2011 00:55 GMT
#65
This was really nice, i liked how you explained your actions based on what you wanted to achieve, not just because you were following a preset build order or mindset. Way too often I find myself sending a scouting drone and not really paying attention to WHAT I'm scouting.

And also, because I'm zerg and I have the QQ gene and the BM-chromosome would you be so kind as to choose zerg for some of your tutorials? I know most people will say "what's the difference? The core mechanics are the same" but really, they aren't. Since with zerg your attention is spread among executing your build order, managing 2 hatcheries, checking your inject timing, scouting, creep spread and reacting to your opponent's tech choice.
FeastofKings
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6 Posts
April 11 2011 03:04 GMT
#66
Great videos, thanks for taking the time to make them.
Iranon
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States983 Posts
April 11 2011 03:30 GMT
#67
Wow, thanks for these! Great videos.

Also,
On April 11 2011 08:54 IzieBoy wrote:
i really wish blizz changes this and allows a selection for constant production when there's resource

I chuckled.
Zoia
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States419 Posts
April 11 2011 06:47 GMT
#68
On April 11 2011 08:54 IzieBoy wrote:

PS. i watched all your vids...kinda sounds like day9's (watched all of those and going)



People keep saying this and I'm really flattered but holy shit I'm nothing compared to day9 you guys are insane.
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Guppers
Profile Joined October 2010
United States94 Posts
April 11 2011 07:04 GMT
#69
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 11 2011 08:54 IzieBoy wrote:
best line: "what are these hellions doing here they could be frying these drones which are just streaming in a line"

maybe blizz can implement a f2 hotkey for idle harrass units? (e.g. for speedlings, mutas, reapers, DTs)

PS. i watched all your vids...kinda sounds like day9's (watched all of those and going)

PPS. Terran is pretty hard for me...the constant production out of all the buildings is just a little crazy (i really wish blizz changes this and allows a selection for constant production when there's resource)... another thing with T is that it's so beneficial to do the drops, reaper harrass, and hellion harrass... i'm just not really into hurting my opponent and feel harrass is worse/more cowardly than cheese :3 i like the big push sorta thing and not the "in-and-out" feel

PPPS. T can also get map control...with sensor tower/PF/turret combo... and with marines... the supply depot costs more than the marine due to the time scv is not mining (39 minerals/min)...and losing the depot to a ling is not only humiliating but means you're back in the dark...while losing a marine frees up supply and can be easily replaced.


if you have buildings making units for you you're halfway to having the game play itself for you
remember that anyone who has accomplished less than you is a noob, and anyone who has accomplished more has no life.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5256 Posts
April 11 2011 07:17 GMT
#70
Very good videos!! Keep on making them man I think you've got something going here. Ur talking style is interesting, high energy
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
TooN
Profile Joined February 2011
1046 Posts
April 11 2011 07:29 GMT
#71
saw first episode. you should use B for orbital command
Zoia
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States419 Posts
April 11 2011 07:41 GMT
#72
On April 11 2011 16:29 TooN wrote:
saw first episode. you should use B for orbital command


Yeah I'm pretty bad I don't use keybinds for orbital/upgrades/salvage/or lift off land. Still trying to master simple mechanics myself
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KinneySL
Profile Joined February 2011
22 Posts
April 11 2011 07:49 GMT
#73
On April 08 2011 01:46 SheaR619 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 10:49 Turgid wrote:
Cheese defense and matchup-specific scouting guides would probably help a lot of people.


Cheese defense is usually nullified by having good macro since the cheesy leagues are usually the lower league. Lower league cheeses tend to come very late or not perfectly timed so with good macro you usually have more than necessary to defend the cheesy even if you dont scout. Of course it varies between the cheese but in general this is how it is from what i have seem
Even if you don't scout? Cheese defense is at least 50% scouting and realizing what things you see or don't see constitute red flags.
Tohrazer
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom75 Posts
April 11 2011 12:57 GMT
#74
do you have the replay of that mech tvz? i want the BO
Zoia
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States419 Posts
April 11 2011 17:53 GMT
#75
On April 11 2011 21:57 Tohrazer wrote:
do you have the replay of that mech tvz? i want the BO

no lost it a while ago I'll pm you it through TL though
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Tohrazer
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom75 Posts
April 11 2011 18:43 GMT
#76
thanks
pStar
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
996 Posts
April 11 2011 20:09 GMT
#77
Wow, really enjoyable and informative 1st video.

Going to watch the rest now.
loazis
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands381 Posts
April 11 2011 20:43 GMT
#78
Good stuff, nothing too special but it's informative
There is no spoon.
Zoia
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States419 Posts
April 13 2011 17:20 GMT
#79
Episode 4 about droning is here!


will also update top post with it
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Zoia
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States419 Posts
April 13 2011 20:05 GMT
#80
Also in light of the most recent state of the game I'm thinking about doing an episode on nydus worms. What do you guys think?
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Shadrak
Profile Joined August 2010
United States490 Posts
April 13 2011 20:11 GMT
#81
On April 14 2011 05:05 Zoia wrote:
Also in light of the most recent state of the game I'm thinking about doing an episode on nydus worms. What do you guys think?


I'd love to see it. That's one tech I rarely get because I don't know how to use it properly (diamond).
snuppe
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark285 Posts
April 13 2011 20:40 GMT
#82
Dude, those videos are awesome. I'm learing something new from every of the stated video you have posted
snup likes dota
Impaled
Profile Joined April 2011
United States7 Posts
April 13 2011 22:23 GMT
#83
Really helpful, thanks!
\m/
Zoia
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States419 Posts
April 14 2011 04:09 GMT
#84
On April 14 2011 05:40 snuppe wrote:
Dude, those videos are awesome. I'm learing something new from every of the stated video you have posted


When I started this series I just did it to help a few friends out but the positive response I'm getting from TL is so strong.

Also for any zerg players out there that watched episode 4 let me know what you think.
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eMazing
Profile Joined January 2011
59 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 04:42:11
April 14 2011 04:40 GMT
#85
I think you could have picked a better game for episode 4. The game seemed extremely macro orientated and there was not really a lot of pressure or ambiguity going out by the opponent that would've forced zerg to make crucial decisions on whether to drone or not. I think most zergs have a lot of trouble knowing whether or not to drone in certain situations when they don't know exactly what their opponent is doing.
snuppe
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark285 Posts
April 14 2011 07:24 GMT
#86
On April 14 2011 13:09 Zoia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 05:40 snuppe wrote:
Dude, those videos are awesome. I'm learing something new from every of the stated video you have posted


When I started this series I just did it to help a few friends out but the positive response I'm getting from TL is so strong.

Also for any zerg players out there that watched episode 4 let me know what you think.



Well, you would be glad to know that it didn't just help your friends but it also helped me, a lot!
snup likes dota
SyntaXe
Profile Joined January 2011
Norway5 Posts
April 14 2011 11:02 GMT
#87
This looks nice. No worries when it comes to the quality, works great. However I can't miss to read some of the comments trolling you and sayingt that you play bad. But I think your still making your point very clear and come across great. Thanks for the videos, I am looking forward to be following along.
Juice303
Profile Joined December 2010
United States42 Posts
April 14 2011 14:36 GMT
#88
Great post OP, I like how you emphasize the importance of how far simply having good mechanics will get you.

IMO there are two different styles of play a sc2 gamer should focus on to help improve their play by breaking it down into more manageable parts; these styles are THE COPYCAT and ADAPTIVE play.

The first style is: THE COPYCAT!
+ Show Spoiler +
Just pick a player streaming from the TL website, some random masters your like on b.net, a major tourny winner or your favorite Pro and COPY them. Pick your favorite build they do, find out their early/mid/lategame plans and try your best to recreate the same thing. Now when you are doing this, first work on getting the basics of the build timings down. Next, once you have the build order down a bit, work on refining your mechanics while still accomplishing your timings. Mechanics such as supply, worker creation, scouting, unit production, inject/creep/chrono/mules. You can practice these two steps against computers till you feel like you can bring it to 1v1.


The second and more advanced style: ADAPTIVE PLAY
+ Show Spoiler +
So you played the first play style for awhile, have developed a good game sense and know what counters what. You still have a basic outline of what you want to do, but you rely on your scouting information and knowledge of your opponents possible timings to help shape your build/unit composition into a more accurate counter. You have developed a basic opening that helps you transition into anything you would need to counter your opponent. IMO this is the most fun way to play and leads to the most exciting gameplay, but also requires a much more in depth understanding of the game.


These two play styles for sc2 will not work for everyone right away. If you are brand spanking new to the game, I suggest the 1st play style(COPYCAT). If you have been playing a little while, understand the game and its timings well, I would suggest being more of a ADAPTIVE player and trying to lose the rigidity of your 1 build order play. On a final note the OP hits the nail on the head with the emphasis of how important mechanics are in the game of SC2.
Juicey Juice!
HalbyStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5 Posts
April 14 2011 14:40 GMT
#89
Cool videos, it's good to see someone doing something for their own entertainment, or for themselves and a few friends, open it up to the masses so that other ppl can benefit. thx for sharing, and risking the troooolls.
Zoia
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States419 Posts
April 14 2011 19:58 GMT
#90
On April 14 2011 23:36 Juice303 wrote:

These two play styles for sc2 will not work for everyone right away. If you are brand spanking new to the game, I suggest the 1st play style(COPYCAT). If you have been playing a little while, understand the game and its timings well, I would suggest being more of a ADAPTIVE player and trying to lose the rigidity of your 1 build order play. On a final note the OP hits the nail on the head with the emphasis of how important mechanics are in the game of SC2.


Once you get to a higher level I find it better to blend the two styles which makes most players great. But I stick to adaptive play I don't really go looking for build orders myself thanks for the input!
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OlDan
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria36 Posts
April 14 2011 20:16 GMT
#91
Hey, I've been lurking here for ages, but had to register just to give you props for your videos. Really simple and to the point (I like day9, but don't have time for 1-hour videos); kinda shows that its possible even for me to get into master league with sticking to basics... (i'm high plat now, btw)

Zoia
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States419 Posts
April 14 2011 20:23 GMT
#92
On April 15 2011 05:16 OlDan wrote:
Hey, I've been lurking here for ages, but had to register just to give you props for your videos. Really simple and to the point (I like day9, but don't have time for 1-hour videos); kinda shows that its possible even for me to get into master league with sticking to basics... (i'm high plat now, btw)




That was part of the reason I made the series. Don't get my wrong I still watch every daily day9 does and have been a huge fan of him since the beta but when I started coaching people the first thing I would tell them was hey watch day9. I mainly tell them to watch daily 100(because it is fucking amazing) 132 163 164 191 and 208(because wheat is so fucking cool) and then to just thumb through the rest. Most are in love with him from the start(very understandable of course) but some come back saying they thought it was nice but so long. So that is why I started my series.
I do enjoy the fact that you made an account just to tell me whats up though I love all the positive comments I'm getting.
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Pixilated
Profile Joined February 2011
United States82 Posts
April 14 2011 21:14 GMT
#93
Just watched the first video, it was great! I've spent a lot of time trying to explain to my friends that are new to Starcraft how important mechanics are. I'll definitely be linking this series to them!
Zoia
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States419 Posts
April 15 2011 00:58 GMT
#94
On April 15 2011 06:14 Pixilated wrote:
Just watched the first video, it was great! I've spent a lot of time trying to explain to my friends that are new to Starcraft how important mechanics are. I'll definitely be linking this series to them!


Let them know that I'm working on videos for all 3 races not just terran and zerg!
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Zoia
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States419 Posts
April 26 2011 09:11 GMT
#95
Hey guys having some trouble figuring out what I want to do for the next couple episodes. Any ideas? I'm thinking maybe one on timings but haven't figured out how I want to do it. Anything can help thanks
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Opera
Profile Joined March 2011
France469 Posts
April 26 2011 10:23 GMT
#96
On April 26 2011 18:11 Zoia wrote:
Hey guys having some trouble figuring out what I want to do for the next couple episodes. Any ideas? I'm thinking maybe one on timings but haven't figured out how I want to do it. Anything can help thanks


Something about timings and/or scouting would be nice.
Random ideas :
- When to expect banshees/mutalisks/drop harass
- How to react to early pressure
- How to defend the most common chesse builds (6-7 pool, photon rush, proxy gates/rax)
- How do I know it's time to upgrade
- Macro management (how many production structures do I need when I'm on 2/3/4 bases)
- Army composition
- Some micro tips (hit & run, hit & attack, drop while moving)

It ain't over till it's over
PeZuY
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
935 Posts
April 26 2011 10:29 GMT
#97
Will definitely watch the rest when I get back home
Zoia
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States419 Posts
April 26 2011 19:10 GMT
#98
On April 26 2011 19:23 Opera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 18:11 Zoia wrote:
Hey guys having some trouble figuring out what I want to do for the next couple episodes. Any ideas? I'm thinking maybe one on timings but haven't figured out how I want to do it. Anything can help thanks


Something about timings and/or scouting would be nice.
Random ideas :
- When to expect banshees/mutalisks/drop harass
- How to react to early pressure
- How to defend the most common chesse builds (6-7 pool, photon rush, proxy gates/rax)
- How do I know it's time to upgrade
- Macro management (how many production structures do I need when I'm on 2/3/4 bases)
- Army composition
- Some micro tips (hit & run, hit & attack, drop while moving)


wow those are all actually a lot of really good ideas thanks!
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crumunch
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States54 Posts
April 26 2011 23:59 GMT
#99
I think an interesting topic would be harassment. Such as how to defend harassment while maintaining composure and not slipping up on your macro.
Come join me in the spiral
Zoia
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States419 Posts
April 27 2011 00:59 GMT
#100


episode 5 is here get ready for 6 7 8!
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asdfjh
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada230 Posts
April 27 2011 01:15 GMT
#101
On April 11 2011 08:13 nocfg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 10:49 Turgid wrote:
Cheese defense and matchup-specific scouting guides would probably help a lot of people.


totally this,
I started sc2 two weeks ago feeling quite confident and okay for my playtime, but in bronze so much cheese is going on, showing new player how to handle it and turn it into a win would be pretty nice!

I also think an episode covering all types of cheese would help new players a lot. You can't just macro to save yourself from cheese and some cheeses need a unique response. I.e. proxy gate or drone rush vs t.
Srule
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada181 Posts
April 27 2011 01:16 GMT
#102
On April 07 2011 05:32 Zoia wrote:
Few things I'd like to note before you read this - This is NOT a quick little scheme to get master league easy these are videos focused on teaching lower league players how to improve their mechanics and eventually go up in leagues so that one day they will have the knowledge to become master league. Thank you

Hey guys so on my youtube channel I've been making a series of tutorial videos on how to improve your mechanics and play style called How To Get Into Masters League. What it revolves around is showing people how to improve their simple mechanics and styles so that they may eventually improve their play. Do not go into these videos expecting to see amazing replays or awesome new strategies these are games played by myself who is a low-mid level master league player...nothing special. Each video in the series will be focused on fundamental things that every starcraft 2 player needs to know. Eventually there will be videos that are race specific(My main account is master league terran but my smurf account is master league random)

For people who look at this and go oh well this video doesn't show zerg or this one doesn't show terran you should still go ahead and watch them. Mechanics for the most part are the same for any race you play. Every zerg protoss or terran player follow the same simple mechanics that have helped them improve their game play efficiently. But as I said above there will be race specific videos in the future.

For the people who watch these games and go holy shit this guy sucks how is he master league. Well I would agree with you that I suck but I have "mastered" the simple mechanics of this game and that is what makes me master league. I don't have super amazing micro or macro I don't have the control or speed but with these simple mechanics I will be showing you mastered I have allowed my play to reach the level of "Master league" This being said I hope you all enjoy the videos I will use this thread to update with future episodes and I look forward to hearing your guys feedback.

Also one last thing I know the video quality and sound quality is horribad but my computer kind of sucks so this is the best I can record at with a decent frame rate.

EDIT - There will be several more episodes these are not the only ones expect there to be maybe 20+ in total.
4-13 added episode 4
4-26 added episode 5

ENJOY

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How to get into masters episode 1 - Basic Mechanics
How to get into masters episode 2 - Decision Making/Replay Reviewing part 1
How to get into masters episode 2 - Decision Making/Replay Reviewing part 2
How to get into masters episode 3 - Taking Map Control/Map Vision part 1
How to get into masters episode 3 - Taking Map Control/Map Vision part 2
How to get into masters episode 4 - Knowing when to drone
How to get into masters episode 5 - Tips and Tricks for all players

Zoia
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States419 Posts
April 27 2011 01:24 GMT
#103
On April 27 2011 10:15 asdfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 08:13 nocfg wrote:
On April 07 2011 10:49 Turgid wrote:
Cheese defense and matchup-specific scouting guides would probably help a lot of people.


totally this,
I started sc2 two weeks ago feeling quite confident and okay for my playtime, but in bronze so much cheese is going on, showing new player how to handle it and turn it into a win would be pretty nice!

I also think an episode covering all types of cheese would help new players a lot. You can't just macro to save yourself from cheese and some cheeses need a unique response. I.e. proxy gate or drone rush vs t.



Yes episode 6 is 100% about cheesing I will be covering how to properly defend each for of cheese and what to look for when scouting.
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TheAmbassador
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia7 Posts
April 27 2011 01:26 GMT
#104
This is awesome man. Thanks for the work
Eleaven
Profile Joined September 2010
772 Posts
April 27 2011 02:48 GMT
#105
Really nice contribution.

Liked the one on replays etc, really hammered some things home
Rakanishu
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden7 Posts
April 27 2011 13:35 GMT
#106
Nice series m8, keep up the good work and ignore the haters.
So close Mario!
RighteousDan
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada99 Posts
April 28 2011 08:59 GMT
#107
Good stuff. I'm trying to move up to Gold, and I've been looking for something similar to this for awhile.
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